Religious Watch    [18741.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:40]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

So in fact Darkangel you are going to ignore all the facts I posted against you.

Suits me. The silence speaks volumes.

When you actually have anything to back up your laughable, apologist, post you made and can counter anything I said in reply please do. Until then you have nothing valid to say or add.

Running away crying about `rudeness` still means you are just running away.
Because you hoped either no one would answer your utterly wrong points or they`d agree with you as this place is full of such apologists as your less than good self.

But unfortunately for you you got me answering you. And your remarks were shown up for what they ALL were. Utterly incorrect on every level.

here you go I`ll make it less rude for you, see if you still run away from answering.




------Half the problem with Islam that i can see is that most of its followers are from 3rd world countries who don`t know better. I`m fairly sure that if these backwards folks followed christianity they would be just as bad.---


I must have missed all these African Catholic suicide bombers, convert killers and stoning mobs calling out God`s name as they slice a guys head off like a pig.

Even being raised in the UK and going to University does not stop you strapping a bomb to yourself to claim your virgins when Islam comes a calling.



-----You`ve only got to look at those preachers in the deep south of the US to see that.----

Er....No actually.

Even Jerry Falwell are not in the same league of murderous hate and violence loving exhaltation as many a Muslim cleric we have seen and heard!
Sorry. But you`re utterly and completely wrong.

Show me even one American preacher who calls for people who offended God or Jesus to be beheaded...
Show me one who has openly preached of other religions as Pigs and monkeys....
Show me one who has literally called for homosexuals to be executed...
Show me one who preachers converts away from Christiaity should be murdered...
Show me one who defends and even instructs wife beating...
Show me one who has defended and praised suicide bombing or indeed warfare!

And you don`t have to go to the Deep South of anything to hear all that said by Muslim preachers as ALL that is pretty much daily sermons as normal even in `moderate` UK mosques as we have seen!



------It basically took all the worst parts assosiated with Islam and made out it was all like that.----

No, It took all the general and currently active all over the world aspects of Islam and made it look, correctly, that a lot if not most of Islam is like that.
Seems fair to me.
As a simple look on the Internet any day of the week will show you.


And we can even compare like with like right now.
Scorsese? Monty Python? Sinead O`Connor? `Jerry Springer the Opera` writers?
All fine and dandy and not in fear or hiding for their lives.

Wilders?

Surrounded by six bodyguards, has received 600 death threats, sometimes he and his wife have been moved into prison cells for their safety and he currently has a fatwa for his death on his head.

Yeah....No difference is there?




WELL????



And again you show an utter lack of any understanding about the things you try to debate.

------terrorist atrocities being carried out in Northern Ireland up until a few years ago. ----

????????
Sorry? What religion was this then? Catholicism?
Strange then that a Catholic in Africa say had no interest whatsoever in a United Ireland.
Northern Ireland was a political war. It just so happened it was the Catholics that wanted to be joined to the rest of Ireland.
But the fight was for a united Ireland...IT WAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH SPREADING ANY KIND OF RELIGION, DOCTRINE, OR INVOLVED ANY OTHER CATHOLICS WHO HAD NO LINKS TO IRELAND!!
It was an Irish cause...not a Catholic Church cause! Yes?? Right.

Dear me.

 Religious Watch    [18740.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:39]

Moved post from DarkAngel

Liberty Stink

last response to me was just plain rude. If you are incapable of debating in a calm and rational manner then why should anyone wish to discuss anything further with you?

Secondly, if you want evidence of badly behaved christians, just look at all the terrorist atrocities being carried out in Northern Ireland up until a few years ago. What about those loonies in the US who go around blowing up abortion clinincs and murdering doctors?

Have you actually read the bible? A lot of it is fairly unpleasant.

Again, I have no love for that particular religion, no more than any other. But the way you rant and rave on occaisions doesn`t exactly show non-theists or libertarians in a very postive light now does it?

Might I suggest taking a deep breath and counting to ten before responding in future?

 Religious Watch    [18739.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:38]

Moved post from Phantom

Stink,
Will you please give it a rest.
You promised to leave this board.
Stick to your word.

 Religious Watch    [18738.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:37]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

Oh dear.

------Half the problem with Islam that i can see is that most of its followers are from 3rd world countries who don`t know better. I`m fairly sure that if these backwards folks followed christianity they would be just as bad.---


WHAT?! I must have missed all these African Catholic suicide bombers, convert killers and stoning mobs calling out God`s name as they slice a guys head off like a pig.

And it seems selective memory loss is rampant...Even being raised in the UK and going to University does not stop you strapping a bomb to yourself to claim your virgins when Islam comes a calling.

So enough of the apologist rubbish please.


-----You`ve only got to look at those preachers in the deep south of the US to see that.----

Er....No actually.
How pissed am I that you make me defend nutty Baptists, Catholics and the rest!
Even fucking scum like Jerry Falwell are not in the same league of murderous hate and violence loving exhaltation as many a Muslim cleric we have seen and heard!
Sorry. But you`re utterly and completely wrong.
Even if we compare fanatics like Falwell...You`re STILL wrong.

Show me even one American preacher who calls for people who offended God or Jesus to be beheaded...
Show me one who has openly preached of other religions as Pigs and monkeys....
Show me one who has literally called for homosexuals to be executed...
Show me one who preachers converts away from Christiaity should be murdered...
Show me one who defends and even instructs wife beating...
Show me one who has defended and praised suicide bombing or indeed warfare!

Because if not then you`re flat out wrong.
And you don`t have to go to the Deep South of anything to hear all that said by Muslim preachers as ALL that is pretty much daily sermons as normal even in `moderate` UK mosques as we have seen!

Nothing remotely, in the 21st century, compares.
IF Islam goes through a reformation like Christianity did then maybe you won`t be so wrong some day.

But until then......


------It basically took all the worst parts assosiated with Islam and made out it was all like that.----

No, It took all the general and currently active all over the world aspects of Islam and made it look, correctly, that a lot if not most of Islam is like that.
Seems fair to me. As a simple look on the Internet any day of the week will show you.


And we can even compare like with like right now.
Scorsese? Monty Python? Sinead O`Connor? `Jerry Springer the Opera` writers?
All fine and dandy and not in fear or hiding for their lives.

Wilders?

Surrounded by six bodyguards, has received 600 death threats, sometimes he and his wife have been moved into prison cells for their safety and he currently has a fatwa for his death on his head.

Yeah....No difference is there?

 Religious Watch    [18737.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:36]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

http://www.iheu.org/node/3123

Just in case you missed this little news. Strange really given how so forthright you all are over `freedoms`.

"""For the past eleven years the organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has been tightening its grip on the throat of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Yesterday, 28 March 2008, they finally killed it.

With the support of their allies including China, Russia and Cuba (none well-known for their defence of human rights) the Islamic States succeeded in forcing through an amendment to a resolution on Freedom of Expression that has turned the entire concept on its head.

The UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression will now be required to report on the “abuse” of this most cherished freedom by anyone who, for example, dares speak out against Sharia laws that require women to be stoned to death for adultery or young men to be hanged for being gay, or against the marriage of girls as young as nine, as in Iran.

There has been a seismic shift in the balance of power in the UN system. For over a decade the Islamic States have been flexing their muscles. Yesterday they struck. There can no longer be any pretence that the Human Rights Council can defend human rights.

The moral leadership of the UN system has moved from the States who created the UN in the aftermath of the Second World War, to the Islamic States, whose allegiance is to a narrow, medieval worldview defined exclusively in terms of man’s duties towards Allah.

Yesterday’s attack by the Islamists, led by Pakistan, had the subtlety of a thin-bladed knife slipped silently under the ribs of the Human Rights Council.

For the first time in the 60 year history of UN Human Rights bodies, a fundamental human right has been limited simply because of the possible violent reaction by the enemies of human rights.

The violence we have seen played out in reaction to the Danish cartoons is thus excused by the Council – it was the cartoonists whose freedom of expression needed to be regulated. And Theo van Gogh can be deemed responsible for his own death.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights died yesterday. Who knows when, or if, it can ever be revived.

I used to wonder what States who felt it necessary to kill people because they change their religion thought they were doing in the Human Rights Council. Now I know.

Roy W Brown
Geneva, 29 March 2008 """


But hey! Remember I`m a supposed racist, I`m wrong about being so `obsessed` about peaceful Islam and of course you still have to fight the good fight against a censored "Manhunt 2" and a crisp advert.

 Religious Watch    [18736.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:34]

Moved post from DrakAngel

Just seen that Dutch film about Islam "Fitna" or whatever it was called.

I can see why it caused a bit of a furore, to be honest with you it was rather like those BNP propaganda videos, only a lot less subtle. It basically took all the worst parts assosiated with Islam and made out it was all like that.

Half the problem with Islam that i can see is that most of its followers are from 3rd world countries who don`t know better. I`m fairly sure that if these backwards folks followed christianity they would be just as bad.

You`ve only got to look at those preachers in the deep south of the US to see that.

I don`t think that the film should be banned, I think it should be shown and judged on its own merits.

 Religious Watch    [18735.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:33]

Moved post from DarkAngel

Liberty Stink.

You are "Pat Condell" and I claim my £5!!!!

:D

 Religious Watch    [18734.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:32]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

------The UK`s treatment of asylum seekers falls seriously below the standards of a civilised society, a report says.
-----


OH PLEASE!!
Strange then how so fucking many keep flooding in then!
Can anyone name a softer, weaker, bend over and take it, country as far as migrants go?

And the latest statistics show we `benefit` from just 28p a week per migrant as far as the economy goes.
Which is then wiped out by the underlying costs and massive damage done to communities (no go areas?...oh yes).
Schools (almost all London schools now have a minority of English speaking pupils).
Hospitals (maternity units all over the country having to close as they are full...and seeing as the average British family now has LESS children I think we know why they are full)
Councils spending untold millions on translating and translators.
And dark ages religions gaining political and social power by the influx of migrant delusionists (both Islam and Catholicism...the worst religions the world still cradles...have had numbers massively boosted by migrants).

"falls seriously below the standards of a civilised society"?
Yeah, I would say that`s correct in how this Government treats it`s own people!

 Religious Watch    [18733.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 09:29]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

ARE WE WAKING UP YET!?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5655041.html

WORLDWIDE Blasphemy Law, with a MASSIVE Islamic bias, has been passed by the U.N.

Welcome to your future. You can remove the blinkers now. If you want.

 dano    [18732.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 06:09]
Liberty Stink...

"Leftists (read communists) side with Islam as it`s the best weapon they have to destroy The Western capitalist democracies (they all live in)."

Not really. They side with Islam because they see it as being oppressed by the West.

"Scumbags like Livingstone and the fetid Galloway support Islam because it has the same enemy they do!
Democracy. The West. Capitalism."

Dunno about Livingstone but Galloway supports Islam because Muslims are his favourite oppressed minority of the day. Not that he`s actually done much for them, least of all in his consituancy of Bethnel Green where once he got elected he fucked off and went on Celeb Big Brother.
I`ve spoken to a few Muslims who think he got elected on the anti-war ticket and now is doing fuck all.

 LIBERTY STINK    [18731.   Posted 31-Mar-2008 Mon 17:36]
Leftists (read communists) side with Islam as it`s the best weapon they have to destroy The Western capitalist democracies (they all live in).

Why was it CHINA, RUSSIA and CUBA who backed the Islamists in their Islam based and biased worldwide blasphemy law?? Because they are communist countries.

Scumbags like Livingstone and the fetid Galloway support Islam because it has the same enemy they do!
Democracy. The West. Capitalism.
Not that they will ever fuck off and live in a Communist state though. Oh no. Perks are not as good.
Another thing they share with Islamists in The West.

 dano    [18730.   Posted 31-Mar-2008 Mon 05:10]
Re: The furore over the Dutch MP Geert Wilder`s anti-Islam film.

There are two seperate issues here. Whether the film is racist hatred and will lead to attacks on Muslims and whether it offends the religious sensibilities and beliefs of Muslims.
The first issue is worthy of debate the second is irrelevant. Nothing should ever be banned mearly for offending someone`s religious beliefs and sensibilities.
I notice many left-wing groups both in Holland and here (check www.Islamophobia-Watch.com to see what I mean) are campaigning against the film presuambly to try and get it banned. They argue it`s racism against Muslims and could lead to attacks. Obviously they believe anyone who will see it will want to go and thump the first person they see in the street who looks remotely like a Muslim. So people need to be stopped from seeing it for their own good.
Other left-wingers have condemed it for offending Muslims` beliefs. Hold on many left-wingers didn`t care Jerry Springer The Opera offended Christians. And they told the protestors trying to get Life Of Brain banned back in the 1970s to get a life.
Not that I disagree with that but I wonder why the double standards. Well here`s the reason. Bare with me on this one.
To many on the hard line socialist Left offending Muslims is seen in a totally different context to offending Christians. This is because Muslims are seen by many on the hard line socialist Left as victims of oppresion and by offending their beliefs one is only heaping more oppresion on them.
The Danish cartoons and this film is seen in the same way as dropping bombs on Iraqis, in the same way as Israel blowing up Palestinians and the same way as locking Muslims up for days on end without charge.
Had Jerry Springer The Opera featured the prophet Mohameed or Alah the same way it featured Jesus many on the hard line Left would have protested for it to be banned as they would have seen it as an act of oppresion against an oppressed minority group that practice and oppressed religion.
It also comes down to the fact Islam is a minority religion and Christianity is still seen as a majority religion. Christianity is seen by many on the hard Left as the religion that still has all the power and the religion practiced by warmongers like George Bush in the White House.
Therefore they don`t see a problem (and niether do I but not for those reasons) with having a go at Christanity and offending Christians because to them it`s only offending the beliefs of the powerful and the strong. They can defend themselves.
But because Islam is seen by the hard Left as a minority religion and the religion of those without any power and of the oppressed, the weak and the powerless offending Islam and the beliefs of Muslims is seen as offending the oppressed, the weak, the defencless and therefore an act of oppression.

I also have to say the condemnation of things which offend Muslims is far louder from some Muslims than it is from Christians who are offended.
If someone made a film about how Christianity is to blame for war (pointing the fingre at the faith of George Bush) and oppresion of other religions (mainly Islam) you might get a few nutters from Christian Voice and Mediawatch UK writing strongly worded letters to the BBC, Ofcom and the Daily Mail. But here we have blood red anger and threats of death.
Heck the most "violent" thing Christian protestors did amid the BBC Jerry Springer opera fuss was burn their licence fees.
This is because many Muslims take their offence in a totally different context to the way Christians take offence. They see it as an attack on them personally and an act of Western imperalistic oppresion. It`s the same as dropping bombs and locking people up without trial to them.

 LIBERTY STINK    [18729.   Posted 31-Mar-2008 Mon 05:07]
http://www.iheu.org/node/3123

Just in case you missed this little news.

"""For the past eleven years the organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has been tightening its grip on the throat of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Yesterday, 28 March 2008, they finally killed it.

With the support of their allies including China, Russia and Cuba (none well-known for their defence of human rights) the Islamic States succeeded in forcing through an amendment to a resolution on Freedom of Expression that has turned the entire concept on its head.

The UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression will now be required to report on the “abuse” of this most cherished freedom by anyone who, for example, dares speak out against Sharia laws that require women to be stoned to death for adultery or young men to be hanged for being gay, or against the marriage of girls as young as nine, as in Iran.

There has been a seismic shift in the balance of power in the UN system. For over a decade the Islamic States have been flexing their muscles. Yesterday they struck. There can no longer be any pretence that the Human Rights Council can defend human rights.

The moral leadership of the UN system has moved from the States who created the UN in the aftermath of the Second World War, to the Islamic States, whose allegiance is to a narrow, medieval worldview defined exclusively in terms of man’s duties towards Allah.

Yesterday’s attack by the Islamists, led by Pakistan, had the subtlety of a thin-bladed knife slipped silently under the ribs of the Human Rights Council.

For the first time in the 60 year history of UN Human Rights bodies, a fundamental human right has been limited simply because of the possible violent reaction by the enemies of human rights.

The violence we have seen played out in reaction to the Danish cartoons is thus excused by the Council – it was the cartoonists whose freedom of expression needed to be regulated. And Theo van Gogh can be deemed responsible for his own death.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights died yesterday. Who knows when, or if, it can ever be revived.

I used to wonder what States who felt it necessary to kill people because they change their religion thought they were doing in the Human Rights Council. Now I know.

Roy W Brown
Geneva, 29 March 2008 """

 Religious Watch    [18728.   Posted 29-Mar-2008 Sat 11:24]
Liberty Stink

Well the Saudis have set a good example and refused to legislate along the lines of the UN recommendation. It seems that they cannot even recognise other religions much less give them rights.

If Saudi can ignore the resolution then surely the rest of the world can too.

 LIBERTY STINK    [18727.   Posted 28-Mar-2008 Fri 06:53]
ARE WE WAKING UP YET!?

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/5655041.html

WORLDWIDE Blasphemy Law, with a MASSIVE Islamic bias, has been passed by the U.N.

Welcome to your future. You can remove the blinkers now. If you want.

 LIBERTY STINK    [18726.   Posted 27-Mar-2008 Thu 03:53]
This place just gets worse and worse...anti-censorship? LMAO!

 Religious Watch    [18725.   Posted 26-Mar-2008 Wed 21:56]
Sorry Liberty, post deleted

Your post was abusive to fellow posters who have done nothing to incur such hostility

 anonymous    [18723.   Posted 24-Mar-2008 Mon 17:07]
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 Religious Watch    [18722.   Posted 23-Mar-2008 Sun 19:06]
Welcome loveandpeace

Always good to know of people striving for calm.

Of course in the world of religion, words mean little, and it is actions that count. Religions are historic masters at "Preaching Tolerance whilst Practising Intolerance".

But of course individual efforts can surely contribute to make it a little better...but there is a hell of a way to go.

 loveandpeace    [18716.   Posted 22-Mar-2008 Sat 16:52]
May i introduce myself to fellow posters...

I am a Pakistani British Muslim, living in London and i am very proud of been British and grateful to this country for receiving me here when i was 16, i am now 36 yrs old. I value this country more than any so called Muslim country in the world. In fact the British people, specifically the English, are "more Muslim" than a lot of Muslims in this country and abroad.

I feel a sense of deep loyalty to Britain and i feel very ashamed of what some of my fellow Muslims in this great country of ours, and abroad, are doing. Terrorism, double standards, madness, creating discord in the land, has no place in Islam or for that matter, any Godly religion- its simply plain common sense!

May it be a small token of us smoking this pipe of peace for me to say that there are a lot of Muslims in the UK, England, who are doing very good work locally and nationally to build bridges across communities. We are raising monies for local, national non Muslim charities, we talk to our neighbours, we invite them to the local Mosques. We demonstrate to other Muslims what great country we live in.

Good work is always going on...behind the scenes and away from all the noise. I am afraid the public communication tool called the media may not deem it worthy of publication, because i presume good news does not sell news.

All this I tell you from my heart and sincerely.

Thank you for reading this, and thank you for tolerating us. Together we will uproot the fanatical people who are our common problem

Best wishes my brethren.

 Shaun    [18715.   Posted 22-Mar-2008 Sat 05:20]
Religion watch -
"As for respect, I have little for the likes of Beyer, Vaz and Iranian Mullahs...however I would always show them politeness and civility "


I agree mostly. However I think I would draw the line at Iranian Mullahs, and Iranian judges who personally executed young girls...

Otherwise one supposes that it is perfectly possible to say to someone "You are a complete and utter nutter!" in polite language!

Being abusive to people usually achieves nothing, other than to confirm the view of the other party, that they were right after all.

 Religious Watch    [18714.   Posted 21-Mar-2008 Fri 20:34]

Moved post from dano

Betting shops opening on Good Friday prompts Christians to tell us how to live our lives.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7308075.stm

 Religious Watch    [18713.   Posted 21-Mar-2008 Fri 08:35]
Liberty

Yes there is surely hypocrisy. Usually slightly disguised under polite terms such as diplomacy, tact, politics etc.

But it also necessary. One simply has to maintain a cordial atmosphere otherwise no one will hang round to listen.

As to discussion on religious news, I am sure things could be discussed but this is a PC world and that is not a bad thing. The style of your debate is simply unacceptable to the vast majority of forum members. This unacceptablity then overshadows any points about religion being made and the whole exercise achieves nothing.

As for respect, I have little for the likes of Beyer, Vaz and Iranian Mullahs...however I would always show them politeness and civility

 LIBERTY STINK    [18712.   Posted 21-Mar-2008 Fri 06:52]
Fucking hypocrisy by MF again!

My posts are as disrespectful to Islam as everyone else are to Vaz or Beyer!!

Only I`m not a PC hypocrite!

I see nothing but name calling and disrespect on here for people...but you cower in fear and show respect for a fucking religion! A religion far worse than a million Beyers!

Running scared bullshit from a place that still puts up daily anti-islamic news but forbids discussion on it unless it`s respectful! Why should I respect anything to do with it!??

And I don`t see any respect for Beyer, Vaz and the like either! Hypocritical PC cowards.

FUCK YOU! FUCK THEM!

 Religious Watch    [18711.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 20:52]
Liberty Stink

There is no real fairness to the moving of posts. It is just that they are so corrosive to both friends and opponents that they harm the forum

Nobody wants to read such uncivil outpourings, a quick glance at the overall post is enough to classify it as unpleasant in tone and it gets instantly ignored regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

Surely reasoned persuasion of possible supporters is always going to succeed over insulting or verbally abusing them!

 Religious Watch    [18710.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 20:44]

Moved Post from Phantom

LIBERTY STINK [22159. Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 11:18]

I see that you evidently are not intending to stay away, Stink.
Despite your claim to the contrary in a previous post.
So much to us taking you by your word…

If Manhunt 2 to is not an issue, then I really don’t understand why you frequent a board where the issue is regularly raised.

As for you being the only one heroic enough to hate people for certain religious sentiments. I really wouldn’t brag too loudly about that. It’s not a virtue. Perhaps one day you’ll see that. Though I very much doubt it.

Intolerance, from whatever angle tends to be nasty.
So true, there is intolerance from some followers of Islam. It’s beyond doubt. When a people, whipped up into a craze over cartoons, start burning Swiss flags, because they’ve run out of Danish ones, it’s not a healthy state of affairs.

But serial posting hatred towards Islam is no more healthy.
When then we start getting comments on Gypsies and ‘smelly’ ‘tarmac spewing’ ‘Irish tinkers’ I really get fed up.

Finally we get callous sneering on the torturous force feeding of a Guantanamo Bay inmate.

It’s not religious bigotry or racism per se. It’s just BNP material.
I’ve never been one for censoring the BNP. I feel they have a right to vent their garbage, no matter what Messrs Brown & Co think. But there are places for this.
Just as I don’t think hardcore sex videos need be aired in kindergardens, or posts questioning the powers of Ofcom ought to be aired on cookery programs, I don’t think your posts belong on Melonfarmers

You mention your interest in horror films and their censorship.
Well, why not talk about that? Unless it’s an empty claim…
The fact is that your stuff is so off topic as to make people’s eyes water.

I really cannot see what you’re doing here, Stink. It seems fairly obvious that no one here shares your level of visceral hatred towards minorities of various kinds.
If you’re hoping to ‘persuade’ us to your cause, I really think you’re wasting your time.

Fact is, we’re much more interested in Manhunt, Phorm, the BBFC, the DPA and the likes…

These may not be subjects for which anyone is going to have their hands severed in a public square (not yet, anyhow), but they are evident examples of how principles of freedom we hold very dear are being undermined by none too nice people out there.

We are seeing this nation of once fairly laid back freedom-loving people, turned into a country of surveilled, neutered tax donkeys whose every taste and interest is to be prescribed by Harriet Harman and Vernon Coaker.

Many here are interested at the way this ever increasing prescription reveals itself in the small decisions taken in various quarters on our behalf. Be it Ofcom, the BBFC or a broadcaster suddenly decide to cut ‘animal cruelty’ from a John Wayne film or that Basil Brush suddenly be told to clean up his act.

However, we don’t just all site here and post ever more visceral hatred of the BBFC staff or John Beyer.

I simply suggest that you honour your previous commitment and leave us be.
Frankly, the site would be a happier place for it and I’m sure you’d be much more content ranting among similar minded people on a John Gaunt inspired bulletin board, or somewhere similar…

Why stay here? Just to spite us?

 Religious Watch    [18709.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 20:43]

Moved Post from Liberty Stink

And as for being OT...

Melon Farmers have ONE site. And on that site they have, everyday, religious nutter news.
Most of it about Muslims and Islam with the odd bit of Catholic crap thrown in and a sprinkling of `others`.

Just because you so called soldiers of right and might suddenly took scared and decided to move actual talk about religion to a wasteland does not change the fact that religious news and general censorship news are on YOUR site.
The SAME site. ALTOGETHER.

And anyone who thinks the most rabid religions are not at the forefront of censorship, ESPECIALLY ISLAM (the Dutch film has not even opened yet and we have death threats and as for the re-print of the cartoons and threats and arrests for an alleged murder plot of a cartoonist...no Pagans involved), needs a reality check.

I in fact have many other censorship worries and have been part of the horror/cult fandom for many years and have DIRECT, PERSONAL experience with draconian raids over films...
But fucking "manhunt 2" is NOT the big issue here.
The big issues on censorship are where people are actually KILLED for what they say, print, write, film...and that`s religion. Specifically Islam.

And you can moan and rant all you want about banning a computer game...but it is laughable hypocrisy and out and out COWARDICE to then ignore (or kick out of the discussion) censorship issues where those involved don`t just have stuff banned BUT END UP DEAD!!

So hate on me all you want. But I`m the only one on here who has actually tackled the biggest censorship/rights threat the entire world faces.
I`m happy to be hated for that by people who bleed hypocrisy and try to (as indeed the Islamists do) shut me up by calling me racist...even though I`ve not said anything about race at all/ Just religion. Religion that stands for specific things, ideas and doctrines above and beyond race.

I hope that sorts things out and puts certain people straight!

 Religious Watch    [18708.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 20:43]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

Why move my post about the Gypsie/Basil Brush crud from here but leave the post with the links up on here???

And my point was not about actual Gypsies (who are a race, and a persecuted one)...just those being classed as Gypsies when in fact they are nothing of the sort (and as such using the race card and human rights bollocks to protect themselves from basic Laws).

And unless you live in a different universe than me...then selling `lucky` heather is EXACTLY what happens. IN fact London Underground have SPECIFIC signs up telling you about such people.
So are London Underground evil racists too?

I guess very few people on here actually read before they act.

 Religious Watch    [18707.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 20:42]

Copied post from lolwhut

Wot no talk about whether or not Basil Brush is a card carrying member of the KKK?

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/Basil-Brush-racism-row-TV.3896645.jp
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main.jhtml?xml=/portal/2008/03/18/ftbasil118.xml
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23387631-5002700,00.html
http://www.tvscoop.tv/2008/03/basil_brush_vul.html

 LIBERTY STINK    [18706.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 11:41]
----Al Hajj described the way he sees himself being force fed in the so-called "Torture Chair" - the restraint chair into which they are strapped twice a day to have a 110cm tube forcibly inserted into one nostril so that liquid food can be administered.----


Well they could have let you die mate. Would have saved on the food bills.

 LIBERTY STINK    [18705.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 09:58]
PHANTOM!!!

I believe my point was that they...ARE NOT GYPSIES!!

Re-read!!
I never said anything about actual Gypsies...Just those being classed as Gypsies (and as such using the race card and human rights bollocks to avade basic Laws) when in fact they are nothing of the sort!!

And unless you live in a different universe than me...then selling `lucky` heather is EXACTLY what happens. IN fact London Underground have SPECIFIC signs up telling you about such people.
So are London Underground evil racists too?

So I accept your apology!! Next time engage brain before fingers.

 Religious Watch    [18704.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 08:40]
I always think that imposing religious nonsense on other people is pretty much akin to censorship. But it is imposed with one more notch of unreasonableness and it is therefore that much more difficult to argue against rationally.

The right wing rhetoric surely reflects real problems and represents many peoples view on the subject and therefore should be noted. However the typically unrealistic and uncivilised solutions tend to be worse than the problems in hand and are totally unpaletable to the majority. These solutions will simply never be listened to.

It shouldn`t be allowed to close down more reasonable debate though, maybe best simply ignored. Politicians soon learn to ignore people, perhaps a neccesary attribute to getting on with the job.

 Religious Watch    [18703.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 08:01]

Moved post from Phantom

LIBERTY STINK [22155. Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 04:56]

I`m sorry, folks.
But do we really need to listen to this hateful drivel?
This could be taken right from a BNP flyer.

I`m all for free speech. But I feel that the forum here is being hijacked for the purpose of right wing demagoguery here.
I cannot see how this bears any relevance to the anti-censorship notion behind this site.
If people want to slag off minorities, I`m sure there are appropriate fora they can find.
But just as I`m not posting about the Dangerous Pictures Act on fora which center on DIY car repair, I just don`t see the point in having this BNP nonsense spouted here.
We`ve done Muslims, now Gypsies. What next? Jews? Blacks? The disabled?
Apart from being downright nasty, it`s just utterly off topic.

No doubt I`ll be accused by Stink of wanting to censor.
The fact remains that what he thinks of Gypsies has nothing to do with the notions behind this site.
I doubt I`m the only one who thinks this.

So please, Stink, can you do us all a favour?
After all, you alrady announed once before you were to leave this board.
Isn`t it time for another attempt at such abstinence?

 Religious Watch    [18702.   Posted 20-Mar-2008 Thu 08:00]

Moved post from Liberty Stink

----n the controversial episode, which is available on DVD and was recently repeated on the digital channel CBBC, a gypsy woman offers heather and wooden pegs----

Well...er...actually I`ve been offered such shit `services` too.
Lucky fucking heather and the like. In fact these parasites invade many an underground train and high street in London.

But of course they also hide behind this `race` thing. Again what race are these smelly bunch?
Most of the nappy dumping, dog shit dropping, broken down car leaving, tarmac spewing `Gypsies` are actually nothing but Irish tinkers who spew out over the UK because they refuse to work anywhere and Ireland is sensible enough not to want them puking over the sights of scientific interest.

The other bunch may indeed contain a few real Gypsies but most are of various races and nationalities and are simply Euro tramps ripping off whatever country they happen to be in and have nothing at all to do with actual Gypsies. Or a race.

If you have an Eastern European, Irish accent and live in a trailer, drop filth all over the countryside and with a shit load of dodgy cash under the bed you`re a `Gypsie` or a `Traveller` and have the Human Rights brigade standing up for you.

Do exactly the same but have an English accent you`re a dodgy Chav tramp who rightfully gets his collar felt and no one cares.

Racism indeed.