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 Shaun    {18787.   Posted 26-Jul-2011 Tue 12:39}       
The problem I have with religions - ALL religions, is that they think it gives then a licence to dictate to OTHER people how they should live their lives, using legal means to enforce it. They especially seem to want to control women and their sexuality and frankly seem obsessed with sex and censorship. It`s pathetic.

NO one on this earth really knows what is going on. Someday science might get a good deal closer, but at the moment any extreme position is simple arrogance.

Believe whatever you will therefore. Believe in the Pink Elephant in the Sky if you must. But please, Please don`t force your complete crap on other people.

 newnature    {18786.   Posted 16-May-2011 Mon 01:46}       
Day of Yahweh

Morality was apply within only a particular tribe’s agreements, and the rightness of action on its collective mood towards addressing other groups, it’s individuated and localized to only particular groupings, and really should have reality within the attendant cultural paradigms who agree with it. But the Israelites had a specific worldview, and they imposed that worldview; that radical new world view was monotheism. The eating off this tree of knowledge of good and bad has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh’s good design for creation. The drama of humanity’s life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh’s design for this kind of drama. It’s the power of moral choice alone that is godlike.

Morality’s about balance and survival, and the methods aren’t as important as the mannerisms in preserving humanity for eons instead of centuries, as humanity is walking in the footsteps of so called ancient civilizations in odious and strange ways. A pop culture where the modus litany puts valuables before values, character, ethic, writes a recipe for ruin. The error is as deep as the nature of man, humanity cannot expect any deliverance from it so long as the nature of man continues the same, and humanity’s natural love of truth almost as depraved as humanity’s natural love of holiness. Humanity has before it the opportunity to become a conscious cooperator, no longer must we be merely unconscious players at the mercy of forces and energies beyond our control. Today we are intelligent enough and conscious enough to see the patterns and cycles that converge to form human destiny. Today humanity can take an active part in molding that destiny and not be simply the unwitting subject of the forces of change. But awaiting humanity is the Day of Yahweh, a popular idea among the Israelites, that on some future occasion, Yahweh would dramatically intervene in world affairs and he would do so on Israel’s behalf. He would lead Israel in victory over her enemies. They would be punished. Israel would be restored to her full and former glory.

Remember those covenants,

 pure    {18785.   Posted 20-Apr-2011 Wed 07:13}       
800 New Life Values of New Era Human Being(1-80)


1. Humankind will get into the Lifechanyuan Era lasting one thousand years very soon.

2. Revere the Greatest Creator, revere life, revere nature and take the way of the Greatest Creator.

3. There is a supernatural soul in the universe, the supernatural soul is the Greatest Creator.

4. The Greatest Creator is the supreme governor in the universe, is the host of all gods, is the cradle of life, is the birthplace of wisdom, is the creator of the universe and life, is the motivity of the universe, is the energy center of the universe, is the sweet spring in the desert, is the lighthouse in dense fog, is ancestor of Buddha, is Allah, is the Great Brahma and is ¡°Lzo Tian Ye¡± that Chinese people say.

5. Consciousness, Structure and Energy are three key elements forming the universe.

6.Consciousness decides existence. What kind of Consciousness is, what kind of form of life¡¯s existence and life environment will be.

7. The essence of the Greatest Creator`s way is Nature, Love and Tao. Nature is the character of structure, love is the character of energy, Tao is the character of consciousness.

8. The universe is the product of the Greatest Creator`s consciousness.

9. The origin of the universe is not the Big Bang, but Wuji (Supreme ultimate) creates Taiji (Great ultimate), chaos becomes Zhaos.

10. There are eight kinds of force in the universe: Magnetic force, gravitation, strong force, weak force, tectonic force, repulsive force,
conscious force and spiritual force.

 newnature    {18784.   Posted 27-Mar-2011 Sun 17:32}       
The Tree Of Life Series

Hi everyone, I’m been reasoning out that life Yahweh has within himself, which is the same life the tree of life produces; that life is cool stuff. Thanks for any reasoning insights one has on this tree of life series. I’m always trying to learn more about this life, thanks.

Post 1 of the tree of life series

If one really thinks about it, having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. After all, that’s what the serpent omitted in his speech, before Eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and bad. The serpent said, “You are not going to die, but Yahweh knows that as soon as you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like divine beings, who know good and bad.” It’s true in one sense, but false in another; the serpent sort of omitted to point out, that its the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh like. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a Yahweh like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. For Adam and Eve to have true freedom of will, Adam and Eve have to have the freedom to rebel. This is why this tree is in the garden, next to the tree of life; instead, evil will come about as a result of the clash of the will of Yahweh, and the will of humans, who happen to have the freedom to rebel. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings. Yet, evil is represented not as a physical reality, it’s not built into the structure of Eden, evil is a condition of human existence, and to assert that evil stems from human behavior. The drama of Adam and Eve’s life should revolve not around the search for eternal life, nor preoccupation with immortality; it was not in Yahweh’s design for this kind of drama. It was Yahweh’s design for the tree of life to have been eaten of, there was no danger to Adam and Eve going on eternally, being immortal. The eating off the tree of knowledge of good and bad, has caused a moral conflict and tension between Yahweh’s good design for creation, and the free will of human beings that can corrupt that good design. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. Man’s disobedience is the cause of the human predicament. Human freedom can be at one and the same time an omen of disaster, and a challenge, and opportunity.

So despite Adam and Eve’s newfound mortality, humans are going to be a force to be reckoned with. They’re unpredictable to the very Yahweh who created them. Yahweh has to modify his plan, by barring access to the tree of life; that was not something presumably Yahweh planned to do. Adam and Eve had access to this tree up to that point, as long as their will conformed to the will of Yahweh, there was no danger to their going on eternally, being immortal. Once they discovered their moral freedom, once they discovered that they could thwart Yahweh and work evil in the world, and abuse and corrupt all that Yahweh had created, then Yahweh could not afford to allow them access to the tree of life. That would be tantamount to creating divine enemies, immortal enemies. So Yahweh must maintain the upper hand in his struggle with these humans who have learned to defy him. And Yahweh maintains the upper hand in this, the fact that humans eventually must die. Yahweh stations the cherubim and the fiery ever-turning sword to guard the way back to the tree of life, once Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. The tree of life is now inaccessible; no humans have access to immortality, and the pursuit of immortality is futile. So it might be then that Yahweh really spoke the truth after all, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad did bring death to human race.

Sorry all these reasoning of mine are so long.

 THE JUDDERMAN    {18783.   Posted 17-Feb-2011 Thu 03:29}       
WHY cant people SEE what is so blatently obvious?

HOW many religions are there in the world today? 100? 200? What about different factions? (Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists etc etc etc) Does that take it up to 1000?

Guess what? EVERY single one thinks they are right!! And its ALL bollocks!

Throughout all of human history there have been different Gods & religions, it is easy to understand in years gone by. Anything people didnt understand MUST be the work of an unseen force. Fairly logical really. The Incas, Aztecs, Romans, Greeks even the Druids had their own Gods! We look back now & call them stupid, or pagans, but we are no different!!

Then, of course, there are the Egyptians! (Iam no historian, so forgive my lack of identification on this point!) For centuries, they worshiped many Gods. Then a Pharoh came along who decreed there should be a single deity. NEXT Pharoh comes along & overturns this ruling, rebuilding the temples to the original Gods.

EH? Gods, as dictated by the whim of man? Roman Catholic? Church Of England? Open your eyes people!!

The simple fact is, there have been more lives lost in the name of religion (Or, in the case of the nazis, religious intolerance) Than any invasion/border dispute. (And all you holocaust deniers can fuck off)

I DO believe that Jesus existed. I DO believe he was a very holy & sincere man. But the Son Of God? Nah.

I cant help but agree with something I read in a magazine a while ago. Any religious group is just a glorified gang! (My gangs bigger than your gang!) Utter nonsense.

 Hafiz Yasir Latif Qureshi    {18781.   Posted 21-Dec-2010 Tue 00:18}       
First Attempt to reconcile faith with reason (Science)

Series: 6 Wisdom of The Holy Qur’an
Author: Rashid Seyal: Seyal Medical Center Multan Pakistan -92614513333

Abstract from “Faith in the Unseen” book published by iUniverse USA

A’lif L’am M’im
This is the Scripture,
Whereof there’s no doubt to debate
Guidance for the virtuous in state
Who assert and affirm, faith in unseen
And also abide prayers, noble in esteem
Dole out alms affirmed in routine
Out of Our Bestowal in supreme (2:1–4)

Assertion of faith in the unseen is the basis of Islam, but as a routine, scientistshave refuted the discipline of faith in the unseen. When we open the second chapter of the Holy Scripture, it very clearly gives a true picture ofthe subject.
‘A’lif ‘L’am ‘M’im—undoubtedly, there should not be any discrepancyor dissent, disavowal or dissension, disagreement or defiance in anybody’smind regarding the truth of discipline ordained in this book. Which book?The one which has been decreed and distinguished by His “A”lmighty“A”LLah and conferred through Gabrie“L,” the archangel, to His Prophet“M”uhammad PBUH. The revelation pronounced by His Almighty Lord toHis Prophet Muhammad PBUH through the Archangel Gabriel is perhaps theonly Scripture that is preserved in its categorical conformation to stance andstanza of each word communicated by His Almighty and conveyed to HisProphet Muhammad (PBUH).
We recite the each venerable verse and each ornate word of the sanctifiedscripture in its glorious antediluvian configuration. When this conceptprevails in the mind, it becomes exceptionally beseeching and bracing becausethese are the words uttered in their original pronunciation and position bythe Lord Almighty, the Archangel Gabriel, and Muhammad PBUH, the HolyProphet. When this perception deeply insinuates itself in the mind, that weare vocalizing the words, phrases, and verses that were primarily established by His Almighty, a state of serenity and satisfaction, blissfulness and beatitudeprevails in the mind, body, and soul.The Holy Scripture gives an account of all the instances, occurrences,and happenings when the things and the world itself had not actualized.Divine perception and vision commands all instances of how and when itwould happen.
Has any book in this world ever made this challenge or pronouncementto defy its entirety and essence?Perhaps none so far!
The Holy Scripture invites you to concentrate on the course and contentsof the Scripture sagaciously and then look for any inconsistency, scruple,or suspense in the text, the slur or blur of its assertions and affirmations,proclamations and declarations.
It is guidance for the virtuous—precisely, it is the spring of eruditionand edification, demeanor and deportment, injunction and inclination formankind, but only those who strive to secure the convinced capabilities asenumerated below acquire virtuosity and vivacity, and they are blessed withbenevolence in faith.
True faith has always endeavored to sense the softness and sweetness of thesoul and determined diligence with fortitude and forbearance in the subjectswho resolved after due forethought and with no vanity or vainglory in theirminds, which men call exaltation or excellence. There should be an adamantfaith of love with persistence, patience, and perseverance, and an ebullienceto escort those who had anything to volunteer for the common weal of conviction. There is an everlasting firmness in giving to everyone accordingto the firm belief and the knowledge derived from the Holy Scripture thatendows the experience of discernment and discretion, enlightenment anderudition, elegance and edification of special sophisticated subjects likemodern-day science and philosophy, in addition to a bestowal of perceptionand prudence and discipline and direction in all walks of life.
The very first principle of perception as asserted in the Qur’an for thevirtuous is to have faith in the unseen.
Is such a faith delusive and deceptive from a scientific point of view?
But when we concern the fundamental philosophy of the scientificconvictions, for what they observe and assert is once again faith in the unseen,as Sir Arthur Eddington in his famous Cambridge lectures shows that allfundamental laws and constants of physics are deduced unambiguouslyfrom a prior consideration. These laws are very successful in explaining theobjective world. So he concludes, in the age of reason, faith yet remainssupreme, for reason is one of the articles of faith.
A few illustrations would make this point clearer.

For details go to page ‘1’ of Faith in the Unseen by A.Rashid Seyal.

 ChiefCensor    {18780.   Posted 24-Jul-2010 Sat 00:54}       
I wonder what percentage of the population actually thinks that Scientology is anywhere near sensible

 IanG    {18779.   Posted 22-Jul-2010 Thu 10:14}       
"A Cardiff councillor who referred to Scientology as stupid on a social network site has been referred to an ethics committee."

Indeed he should. We all know Scientology has been declared "a dangerous cult" by the courts! It isn`t stupid, its insane fiction from the pen of L Ron Hubbard.

Think I`ll start the `Church of Never Never Land` so we can all pray to Lord God Peter Pan for eternal youth and, to send us tick-tocking crocodiles and Tinkerbell fairies to save us from evil Pirates with hooks. Anyone want to sign up? It`s only £100,000 for a life membership (cash only - no cheques!) and, of course, your solemn oath, on pain of death, to sacrifice your first born to the third star on the left just before dawn if you ever say you don`t believe in fairies (its in the small print after clause 3172(b) on page 1036 of Your Biding Contract with the Chruch of Never Never Land, just before clause 3173, which states apostates will be decalared pirates and must submit to having their hand replaced with a hook).

 IanG    {18778.   Posted 27-Jun-2010 Sun 07:19}       
"Most of the Internet is Considered Sacrilegious..."

Yeah? Well here`s a bit more: Most religion is considered bullshit.


@JesusRules, ...and I thought I was losing it.

Listen up you fools.

Our Saviour IS love, compassion, knowledge, reason and understanding.

Our Destroyer IS hate, indifference, ignorance, irrationality and superstition.

Get it?

`Jesus` is inside all of us alongside the `Devil`. Believe in love, compassion, knowledge, reason and understanding instead of that crazy superstitious clap trap else you lot will indeed end up destroying the whole of mankind.

Know the TRUTH when you see it!


@bjabir, I wonder what makes you believe you deserve life everlasting in some unearthly paradise? I`m not religious but even I recognise that whatever created this universe is far beyond anything we can hope to understand. What you believe is akin to us granting eternal life to amoeba in exchange for their worship. If there is a God then nothing people do as a result of our ignorance will affect the outcome after death. We will all be forgiven because we are falible and we all make mistakes - we were made that way by our creator.

What matters my friend is the here and now and trying to make this world as close to paradise as we can for ALL life on earth. Because only IF we get the balance absolutely right can this little old earth go on supporting life until the Sun finally gives up the holy ghost - i.e. the life-giving Energy of light and warmth we all need to survive.

When I die I expect to sleep for the rest of eternity - absolute bliss, no pain, no worries, no nothing. My earthly remains will be taken by Mother Nature and reborn into a myriad of new lifeforms just as its been for over 500 million years. I`m happy with that. I expect no more from the creator that gave me this life, this mind and these eyes to know and see this miracle of creation with all its laws and stars and wonderous lifeforms.

Be thankful for what we have got and stop dreaming of that which can never be known and, quite frankly, none of us really deserve.

This Earth is the only paradise I know in the heavens and we`re rapidly turning it into Hell, in fact, we seem hellbent on turning it into a living hell on a rather regular basis.

Grow up and get real otherwise reality will come round and bite you all very hard in the arse (and pretty soon by the look of things!).

This `prophet` has spoken.

 JesusRules    {18777.   Posted 24-Jun-2010 Thu 03:52}       
The Great Storm

A massive storm is soon coming to Southern California. I believe it will come before the end of this summer 2010 or sometime in the year 2010. The storm is going to be very big with high winds, pouring rain, massive lightning bolts, and thunder so loud it will knock you out of your chair. But this isn`t just any storm, this storm represents something very deep. It represents the destruction and defeat of the "Evil God`s" that have devoured and destroyed innocent life. These evil God`s have inflicted intense and tremendous evil and pain among innocent life. They have inflicted as much harm imaginable. There are several of these evil God`s. The name of this massive storm is "The Great Storm."

The plan is that when The Great Storm comes, to light a Jesus candle in a dark room, and keep it lit during the storm. The defeat of these evil God`s is dedicated to the Goddesses and Jesus, as they are one. The way to dedicate their defeat to Jesus and the Goddesses is to tie a "purple ribbon" around the Jesus candle, as the color purple represents the Goddesses.

The Great Storm of intense energy will only last for about one to two hours, so make sure that you are prepared before the storm comes. Listen to your weekly weather forecasts of any possible major storms in the Los Angeles, CA and surrounding areas as far north as Mojave.

 bjabir    {18776.   Posted 23-Apr-2010 Fri 04:35}       
Are you going to reach 100 years old?

Very few people will reach 100 and above

Therefore, every 100 years the whole world replaced by new people!!!

So, you are definitely going to die sooner or later (may be today!!!) Maximum of 130 years

This is a fact, no one can argue about it

Please open your eyes wider

Do not ignore that fact, and suddenly find yourself inside a grave
So, what will happen after death?
At this point everyone has his/her own believe depending on his/her faith
If you believe in paradise and Hell well and good, if not here is a logical example for you:

Assume that you must take an exam, and after the exam you will definitely be placed into a reception waiting for your result (Eventually you will be placed in the reception, no other option at all---you are not going to escape death, are you?).
So, if many people talking about only two mandatory exists-one will get you to a jungle full of lions and tigers and the other to a very beautiful place full of everything you dream and think of .And they are telling you that, your ticket type to the entrance depend upon the exam result.
We are facing another very big problem too, no one died came back to tell us what is going on over there!!!!
So, are you going to risk it? And just say I do not care or you are you are going to work hard for that exam
If you are saying I will not take the exam, you are in exam room right now (this life and all your behaviours are being recorded), the reception is waiting for you immediately after you die


One God definitely is controlling the whole universe(earth, Sun, Moon, animals, sky, sea, wind, rain, water, human beings ...etc).There must be one God or there will be imbalance in the planet, if there are many ,everyone is going to do it the way he like

This is just a start my friend to let you think yourself carefully about your eminent fate Please try for one time to think about that; using your mind and logic and NOT your current or previous sympathetic view
Can you just watch the following websites to just see what are these people talking about?

www.islam-guide.com/islam-guide.pdf

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

http://www.justaskislam.com/index.php

http://www.justaskislam.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

http://www.watchislam.com/tv1/

www.islamhouse.com

 Shaun    {18775.   Posted 13-Feb-2010 Sat 17:29}       
Much as I really am sick and tired of Christians trying to dictate how I live my life, and trying to dictate how the state should censor MY viewing, two wrongs don`t make a right.

I thought the judgement was appalling and cannot see any reason why this woman cannot freely wear a small symbol of her faith round her neck as many people do.

To me it`s just another unnecessary restriction imposed on a free person by corporate control freak mentality gone mad. Although I am a member of the Secular Society I certainly don`t agree with their stance on this.

Most Christians do wear a cross round their neck, even if it is optional and unless it really is dangerous owing to their work, I simply cannot see why they should hide it or remove it.

 bleach    {18774.   Posted 13-Feb-2010 Sat 07:56}       
The Only Fair Solution

I think it is a fair decision but what`s interesting is BA should have said it breached a dress code as it was excessive or unsubtle jewellery. A lot of workplaces have a dress code which states (but in formal terms) "bling" jewellery isn`t allowed although the cross isn`t bling they could`ve escaped some legal proceedings by using that scapegoat. But fairplay for them sticking to their decision.

2) I think Nadia Eweida also argued that Muslims who work for BA are allowed to wear Hijabs and the men doppa hats. Yes because it is part of traditional Islamic religion; there is nothing in the bible that says Christians must wear a cross and as Bill Hicks Said "If Jesus comes back; do you think he wants to see a fucking cross".

 Shaun    {18773.   Posted 12-Feb-2010 Fri 05:31}       
"If people believe in God on hearsay or declare a belief in God to avoid a debate, then this will not guarantee their salvation. … Therefore, it is of utmost importance that considerable thought be given to the question of the existence of God."

So, that lack of salvation leads to what ? Obvilion ? Incessant torture in the fires of hell, sent there by some jealous omnipotent heavenly bully boy who demands "morality" from us, but then uses highly questionable (and immoral) methods to impose those demands ? Someone who tortures innocent kids to death by giving them horrendous illnesses to suffer and no food or water, or kills them with earthquakes ?

Nope. I simply don`t believe in such an entity. I don`t even WANT to believe in something as vicious as that. If I am wrong and am to be dammed then so be it.

One thing though - If He does exist and is that omnipotent and vicious he can punish me himself. He doesn`t need people blowing things up, and that kind of thing, ie folk doing it FOR him.

 Shaun    {18772.   Posted 12-Feb-2010 Fri 05:01}       
It is interesting how religious people grasp at any shred of evidence for a diety, but completely ignore any evidence to suggest that He simply does not exists, or if He does exist, He doesn`t give a fig about us at all.

On the origin of the universe: the article on islamdk completely ignores a fourth possibility (my words quoted):

"
That the creation of various universes in the so called "multiverse" is in fact a process which goes on all the time in a sphere of existence, and is nothing unusual at all.
"

The problem is that humans cannot think beyond their three dimensional restricted view of reality and their experiences, and thefore have to "explain" difficult issues by citing the existence of a diety of some kind, when there isn`t really strong evidence for such an entity. If such a diety did exist, then His existance would be just as hard to explain as the existince of the universe itself, or indeed the existence of anything at all.

So deities in fact, explain nothing at all, when looked at rationally and logicaly. Even children realise that when they innocently ask "has God got a mother ?"

Having said all that, it is my belief that the universe is far from what it seems.

A particular individual is _MUCH_ more likely to win the lottery every day for a year, than to exist at all.

In my case I simply don`t get that lucky and my own conciousness would have simply bypassed existence at all and "I" should have remained in the bliss of the oblivion of NON existence. So therefore there seems to be something else going on. Something we humans know very little about.

On the other hand, perhaps if there`s an infinite number of universes as some scientists suggest, then there`s simply GOT to be one, where "I" (whatever `I` actually truly am), along with everything else here exist, just as it in fact does now.

 islamdk    {18771.   Posted 28-Jan-2010 Thu 14:09}       
If people believe in God on hearsay or declare a belief in God to avoid a debate, then this will not guarantee their salvation. … Therefore, it is of utmost importance that considerable thought be given to the question of the existence of God.

This essay therefore addresses the fundamental question: is there a God?

A discussion about God’s existence should start with the acknowledgement that the burden of proof lies with the theists, that is, with those who believe in God.

There are some questions that puzzle most reflective people: How did the laws of nature come to be? How did the universe come into existence? And how did life as a phenomenon originate from non-life?

The Kalam cosmological argu-ment(8) for the existence of God is a method of argument developed by medieval Muslim logicians and it was popularised in the West by philosopher William Craig. This philosophy entails the following; given that an observable universe exists, there are three possibilities: First, the universe always existed. Second, the universe created itself. Third, an all-powerful and all-knowing transcendent being, which we call God, created it. Let us examine each of these possibilities separately.

read more on ..www.islamdk.com

 islamdk    {18770.   Posted 28-Jan-2010 Thu 14:06}       
Views of Scientists on the Existence of God

www.islamdk.com

very interesting artical

 Mike Rufamens    {18769.   Posted 20-Oct-2009 Tue 01:46}       
I want to start a group of Knights for Reason, made up of drifters and mal-contents such as myself who would be prepared to roam around living off our wits and starting trouble between religious groups so as to make explicit the absurdity and violence inherent in all religion... a kind of band of "agents provocateurs" whose mission would be to draw out the poison of religious thought and practice -draw it out in the open by creative acts of mischievious misdemeanor- drag it by its beard or chasuble, as the case may be, from its miserable hiding place behind so-called "moderate" forms and expressions of religiosity.

Maybe "Nights of Reason" is better... or, "Servants of Logos" or "Reasonable Turks" ...

So, are there any nihilistic ne`er-do-wells out there wanna chip in with ideas?

 DarkAngel5    {18767.   Posted 26-Sep-2009 Sat 08:16}       
Thought this might be more appropriate here than in the Melonfarmers forum.

It seems that in the US, young earth creationist Ray Comfort of the living water ministry and Way of the Master YouTube channel, has teamed up with several other YEC groups, including the notorious `Answers in Genesis` and is planning to give away "revised" versions of Darwin`s "Origin of the Species" to coincide with its 150th anniversary at 50-100 universities accross the US and canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5cT0M

This edition is going to contain a 50 page pre-face, written by comfort himself, containing the usual creationist clap trap accusing him of racism, sexism and how his theory was what inspired Hitler to commit genocide and how its an unscientific beleif, etc etc (the usual unfounded propaganda) along with tracts from the bible saying how the book of genesis is right (you get teh impression).

Its just a sneaky way of trying to get creationist crap into the classroom.

To be honest, its not what he`s putting in to this book, its what he`s leaving out that worries me. Anyone else think he`s going to do a bit of editorial revisions to Darwin`s original publication to suit his own ends?

I think someone should write a pre-face to the bible detailing how this book (and other like it) has been used to justify countless hostilities and atrocities over the centuries and how the Nazis all wore insignia with the words "god`s with us" on their uniforms, give them out free of charge outside their churches and see how THEY like it! :-)

Incidentally, neither Ray Comfort nor his side kick (former actor) Kirk Cameron have ever read a science book in their entire lives so I`d like to know how they are in any way qualified to critisise anything!

 mikejones    {18765.   Posted 27-Mar-2009 Fri 15:50}       
THE NATURE OF EXISTENCE
www.thenatureofexistence.com

All the Mysteries of the Universe - Explained! Sort of…

What is the most important question there is? After exploring the phenomenon of STAR TREK fans in the acclaimed documentary TREKKIES, filmmaker Roger Nygard is taking on THE NATURE OF EXISTENCE, traveling the globe to the source of the world’s philosophies, religions, and belief systems, interviewing spiritual leaders, scholars, scientists, artists and others who have influenced, inspired, or freaked out humanity.

“I made a list of the eighty-five toughest questions I could think of,” said Nygard, “starting with biggest one, ‘why do we exist?’ and then I began interrogating the widest cross-section of humanity possible.” Here are a few more of the questions asked in the movie: What is man’s purpose? What started the Universe? Where was God during the Holocaust? What is Truth? Should people have sex before marriage? What is the best way to find happiness? Where is the afterlife? Where are the voices in my head coming from? …

How would YOU answer? What journey is more important than one that takes us closer to finding meaning in our existence

Profiled in the film are people like Indian holy man, His Holiness Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (The Art of Living), who described his job as “dehusking” people: “stress is the husk, which covers the light, the joy within a person.”

Nygard spoke with Catholic Archbishop D’Ambrosio in Italy, who believed his is the true religion and said, “To believe in Christ is not easy. But it’s not impossible.”

In Athens, Georgia, Rob Adonis, founder of Ultimate Christian Wrestling, says he looks forward to the afterlife, “In Heaven I’m going to be perfect, I’ll have abs of steel, I’m going to be chiseled, I’m going to have a great tan.”

Taoist Master Zhang Chengda of China’s Azure Cloud Temple on Taishan Mountain, China’s holiest mountain, said, “If you do good in this life, then you can continue practicing Tao in the afterlife.”

Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik maintains, “In Islam, the Truth prevails, not majority.”

In England, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, said, “Not only do you not need God, it’s positively counterproductive, if you are trying to understand the nature of Existence.”

In Palo Alto, California, Leonard Susskind (co-discovered string theory) explained that modern string theorists are coming to the conclusion that there is not just one Universe, but more likely trillions, if not an infinite number of Universes, all with laws of physics different from ours.

Professor Li Shaoqiang, in Confucious’ home town of Qufu, China, explained that, “Chinese people worship Mao Ze Tung as god because he founded a country.”

And over 100 others like Harvard psychologist and author Daniel Gilbert (Stumbling on Happiness), film director Irvin Kershner (Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back), novelist and Mormon Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game), and Stonehenge Druids Rollo Maughfling & King Arthur Pendragon….

After a four-year world-wide odyssey, the filmmakers had over 450 hours of footage to boil down to an hour and a half, to bring audiences the best and the most transcendental moments, to present a fascinating look at humanity, and our Universe, seen through the eyes of some of the most interesting people on our planet.

Running time: 93:50

 Paul Tavener    {18763.   Posted 4-Jan-2009 Sun 10:28}       
Some of you might be interested in the post I have just made on the main melonfarmers forum re Radio 4`s Thought For The Day:

http://www.gavinorland.com/religion/thought-for-the-day-my-letter/

 loveandpeace    {18761.   Posted 10-Dec-2008 Wed 03:29}       
LIBERTY STINK:
"And the outrage at such a barbaric act carried out against their Muslim Sisters (with justification for the act being Islamic Sharia Law) from all those peace-loving, compassionate, moderate British Muslims (or indeed Globally) is deafening!

I guess cartoons and books are far more sinful and insulting to them then than the purposeful disfiguring of 2 Muslim children, as we can`t shut the noise up from Muslims when someone draws or writes something (or names a teddy bear)"

LIBERTY STINK {18755. Posted 11-Nov-2008 Tue 13:26}
"So now we have a 13 year old girl used as a suicide bomber, to mostly kill other children, in Iraq.

But lets blame the evil West again and apologise for barbaric Islamists and their religion of peace!

Where are the rallies and marches against such atrocity throughtout the Muslim and (increasingly Muslim anyway) non-Muslim lands FROM Muslims?
Or are cartoons and books bigger sins to them?"


LIBERTY STINK {18754. Posted 27-Jun-2008 Fri 10:14}
------"POLICE sniffer dogs trained to spot terrorists at railway stations may no longer come into contact with Muslim passengers – after complaints that it is against the suspects’ religion.-----


Despite the ONLY... I repeat...ONLY terrorist threat we face comes from Muslims!"

--------I agree very much with Liberty Stink on these issues he has raised above. These are issues my own Muslim community and others have raised and voiced their concerns over with the MEDIA (or at least sections of the media who would listen AND broadcast it!), but yet again, i am afraid it is probably because its not media savvy that ordinary folks do hear about the outrage that Muslims feel about the "acid affair" and the "13 yr old suicide bomber"

I also agree, but hasten to add i am not a self hating Muslim, that Muslims in the UK should allow the Police to use Sniffer dogs etc to do their job. The Muslims, including i, have to "suffer" these procedures for a few reasons: 1- it’s the Law, 2- Muslims should accept we are going through intensive scrutiny and allow such things to proceed (after all the British establishment would never, knowingly, be uncivil with their investigative procedures, unlike a lot of other countries!

A lot of the atheist on here are very good people and i am sure do very good things for humankind. We Muslims should work with you, side by side, because we share many common values and ethics. You are good people and also very intelligent and honest people. As a Muslim i don’t see you as "Atheists" but people who have the potential to show us other Muslims that you can be good and just people without believing in a God. I very much respect that. However, there has to be a "but" somewhere of course :-),i really feel if Atheists like the good folks here did ever become Muslims, you will indeed teach the rest of the Muslim world, what and how true Islam should be practised, and one day that day will come, because you are good people.

Sincerely,

INCREASE THE PEACE.
INCREASE THE LOVE.

 myway    {18760.   Posted 5-Dec-2008 Fri 14:52}       
THE WORLD’S GOLDEN RATIO POINT


www(.)miracleofkaaba(.)com ( for detailed information and pictures )

The Golden Ratio… Phi … 0,61… probably the most spiritual number in math. The mysterious seal that is impressed to the most elites by God. Our heart beat, our DNA, the special shape of the universe named dodecahedron, lots of galaxies spiral structure, perfect human faces and bodies, the lines of the plants’ leaves and many more are designed by the number of the golden ratio.

It didn`t take long time for scientists to find this perfect ratio which is used in the nature`s design. Historical records tell us that this ratio is known for about 4000 years. In the design of the pyramids and many famous architectural work of art this ratio is used. Leonardo Da Vinci and Mimar Sinan are the most important users of this number in the history.

According to this ratio, the number of the ratio which defines the shape was always 0.61.

As we all know, latitudes and longitudes are become as a universal measuring system which are used in coordinate determination and setting the time. God sends his messages with the form of human’s understandings; with their units of measurements, or else the messages won’t be understandable.

As can be understood from the calculations on the latitudes and longitudes the earth’s golden ratio point is at Mecca. The coordinates east longitude +39,82 and the north latitude +21,42 (Google Earth) shows that Kaaba and the holy area is at the earth’s golden ratio point.







(90 + 21,42 = 111,42 111,42 / 180 = 0,61... ), ( 180 +39,82 = 219,82 219,82/360= 0,61... The formula shows the method of calculating of the distance of the city Mecca to the poles and to the equinox line in both ways.)
The Golden Ratio (number of the creation of design and esthetic) = Phi constant = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance to the poles / The distance between North and South poles = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance to the North Pole / Mecca’s distance to the South Pole = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance (west) to the equinox line / The Earth’s perimeter = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance (west) to the equinox line / Mecca’s distance (east) to the equinox line = 0,61...

The inner ratios of the lines that passes through Mecca and combining the poles and the equinoxes = 0,61...

In the verse that tells about Mecca and Kaaba (3:96) the number of the letters until the word Mecca (29) / The number of the verse’s total letters (47) = 0,61...

If we consider the map of longitudes and latitudes as a painting of an artist, the world map will be a divine painting; the one which’s deepness will never end, a living painting. If we want to show the main Golden Raito point in a world map which is designed by the values of the longitudes and latitudes in the program of the Phimatrix (An American programmed which helps to show the golden ratios of the paintings), it will show us Mecca. The numeric values that the longitudes and the latitudes can take as the Golden Raito formula can only be performed in a single point in the world. The coordinates under the Ecuador or the west of the Greenwich are called as – (minus). Because of that the earth can only have one golden ratio point and Great God choose this as Mecca and then he has designed the verse in the Holy Quran by the Golden Ratio and he never let this area clear away.
(3:96) “The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:”

This holy city’s name is only used only once in whole Quran. In the verse it talks about the existence of the evidences that conduces people believes in this area. One of the evidences is; the area is a Golden Ratio point. Another miracle that cannot be a coincidence shows it self in the verse. Until the word Mecca (Mecca word included) the number of the letters are 29 and 47 is the number of the letters in the whole verse. We will do it like we have done in the world map, without any force. The rate of the number of the letters until the word Mecca to the number of the whole letters in the verse is 0,61 the golden ratio. If a word more or less the ratio will be broken down. We have done the same calculation in the latitude and longitude map of the world; The distance until Mecca to the whole distance.


It is a miracle that Mecca’s / Kaaba’s place on earth is designed by the verse in the Holy Quran, Muslim’s holy book for over 14 centuries and it states that in this holy area the evidences are lurked in that will cause communities’ searching for the right way. It proves that it is written by a force that knows the golden ratio, can see the earth from the space and knows the measurements that are accepted in the future, knows math very well, God.
Besides it is known that the surface is covered with the liquid energy canals that are called The Ley Lines. The lines are named like "The world`s energy", "The telluric energy" or the "Global Bioenergetics". These lines are a kind of energy, partly from the surface`s magnetic power, that is assumed, which travels the whole world on a linear way. This term is firstly used by an English researcher named Alfred Watkins in 1925, who "rediscovered" these lines.
The Holy Rivers that is in myths, actually expresses the ley lines, "the surface chakras". One of the most powerful areas of these chakras is in Mecca, the holy lands.
This discovery is made by the 3d graphic artist, director who made some works that are world-wide famous, Erdem Çetinkaya. Right now his work of documentary-movie which includes the miracle of Kaaba and the miracles named “Holy Mysteries”.

 Ben Masada    {18759.   Posted 29-Nov-2008 Sat 14:57}       
=========================================
+++ WERE THERE TWO DIFFERENT JESUSES? +++
=========================================

When Luke wrote the book of Acts to Theophilus, he guaranteed him that he had dealt with ALL that Jesus did and taught until the end of his life on
earth. (Acts 1:1,2) If Luke is someone worthy believing, there must be something wrong with Matthew.

1. I am not talking about the huge difference in the genealogy of Jesus. (Mat. 1:1-17)

2. I am not talking about the anxiety of Mary to explain her pregnancy without having yet slept with Joseph. (Mat. 1:18-25)

3. I am not talking about the Astrologers from the East who came to worship the new-born king of the Jews. (Mat. 2:1,2)

4. I am not talking about the star that stood still over the place where the child was. (Mat. 2:9-11)

5. I am not talking about the flight with the child to Egypt. (Mat. 2:13-15)

6. I am not talking about the slaughtering of the innocent under the age of two with the Herodian intent to catch Jesus. (Mat. 2:16-18)

7. I am not talking about a lot of other things that Luke ignored in his accurate account of EVERYTHING about Jesus to Theophilus.

Here`s what I am talking about: While the Jesus of Matthew was still in Egypt, waiting for Herod to die, the Jesus of Luke was born, circumcised after eight days, presented in the Temple on the 33rd day, and immediately after these requirements of the Law, the family headed back to Nazareth. (Luke 2:21,22,39)

In the meantime, the Jesus of Matthew was still trapped in Egypt, waiting for the word of the "angel" with the news that Herod had finally died. Perhaps in order to spare the embarrassment, the age of this Jesus is omitted.

Therefore, how many Jesuses were there? If there was but one, either gospel writer is lying or neither ever met each other. But then again, how about the spirit that inspired the revelation? I think Christianity will better off if we don`t remove that stone. The smell will be too strong.

Ben

 Ben Masada    {18758.   Posted 27-Nov-2008 Thu 07:18}       
===================================
+++ THE METAMORPHOSE OF APOLLOS +++
===================================

The text is in Acts 18:24-28.

The Sect of the Nazarenes was blooming in Alexandria. Apollos, a Nazarene
Jew from Alexandria had decided to go on a trip North to Ephesus. Being
well-known as a charismatic and eloquent Teacher in the Scriptures, he was
invited to deliver the Shabbat sermon in the local Nazarene Synagogue. The
text says that he would speak about Jesus with accuracy. (Acts 18:25)

It happens that on that same day, a couple of former Jews called Aquila and Priscilla were attending services at the same Synagogue. The couple had recently arrived from Italy because of a decree signed by Claudius Caesar, that would expell all Jews from Rome. (Acts 18:2) Their trade was
Tentmaking. Since Paul was also a Tentmaker, they somehow met, got together, and Paul succeeded to convert them. (Acts 18:1-3)

So, back to the Nazarene Synagogue of Ephesus, Aquila and Priscilla realized that there was something wrong with Apollos` sermon. He would not
mention even once that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, and that he had
resurrected. After the services, they invited Apollos to their home, converted him to the Pauline way they believed about Jesus, and the Apollos who returned was no longer the same who had left. He would now preach that Jesus was the Messiah. (Acts 18:28) He was still charismatic and eloquent, but the previous accuracy about Jesus was no longer the same. Apollos had completely metamorphosed.

The point here for discussion is: If Apollos was an expert in the Scriptures, and a member of the Sect of the Nazarenes, how come he had to
know from Christians all those things about Jesus? The obvious conclusion
is that the whole thing had been fabricated by Paul about 30 years after
Jesus` death.

Now, please, kindly share with me your comments.

Ben

 Ben Masada    {18757.   Posted 26-Nov-2008 Wed 18:49}       
=============================
+++ THE PAULINE PARADOX +++
=============================

When Paul started preaching about Jesus as the Messiah and son of God, he
never realized that he had created a huge paradox.

You see, for Jesus to be the Messiah, he had to be a biological son of Joseph`s, who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. Mary was from the Tribe
of Levi. She was of the family of Elizabeth, a descendant of Aaron, the
Levite. (Luke 1:5,36)

Since Jesus is also claimed to be son of God, he could not have been the
Messiah, because God is not subject to human genealogies.

On the other hand, if Christians decide to grab the chance of at least make of Jesus the Messiah by agreeing that he was Joseph`s biological son,
he could not be son of God; and here the situation gets worse, because even the doctrine of the Trinity will collapse.

That`s indeed a paradox that can be conceived only by faith, which requires no explanation. But then again, where faith begins, knowledge ends; and for lack of knowledge people perish. (Hosea 4:6)

Now, if there is anyone out there with enough wisdom to unriddle this Pauline paradox, I`ll be happy to take off my hat to him or her. In the meantime, the Sphinx rests among the Egyptian pyramids while waiting for the passers-by. Good luck!

Ben

 LIBERTY STINK    {18756.   Posted 14-Nov-2008 Fri 04:46}       
YET MORE acid attacks on Afghan girls!

And the outrage at such a barbaric act carried out against their Muslim Sisters (with justification for the act being Islamic Sharia Law) from all those peace-loving, compassionate, moderate British Muslims (or indeed Globally) is deafening!

I guess cartoons and books are far more sinful and insulting to them then than the purposeful disfiguring of 2 Muslim children, as we can`t shut the noise up from Muslims when someone draws or writes something (or names a teddy bear).

 LIBERTY STINK    {18755.   Posted 11-Nov-2008 Tue 13:26}       
So now we have a 13 year old girl used as a suicide bomber, to mostly kill other children, in Iraq.

But lets blame the evil West again and apologise for barbaric Islamists and their religion of peace!

Where are the rallies and marches against such atrocity throughtout the Muslim and (increasingly Muslim anyway) non-Muslim lands FROM Muslims?
Or are cartoons and books bigger sins to them?

 LIBERTY STINK    {18754.   Posted 27-Jun-2008 Fri 10:14}       
------POLICE sniffer dogs trained to spot terrorists at railway stations may no longer come into contact with Muslim passengers – after complaints that it is against the suspects’ religion.-----


Despite the ONLY... I repeat...ONLY terrorist threat we face comes from Muslims!

Fuck `em! Plane tickets are cheap nowadays and sadly Muslim countries are many...so go there if a dog doing its job to safeguard us ALL offends you so.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18753.   Posted 8-May-2008 Thu 15:03}       
-----The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are low morality, not being mindful of each other’s right, neglecting real worship of God.-----


Translation time!

----low morality----

Dreadful Homosexuals and people who have sex without being married or Muslim and non-Muslim together.



----not being mindful of each other’s right----

Your right to do and say whatever you want in the name of your religion and to those against it.



-----neglecting real worship of God-----

The REAL worship of God is of course only through Islam by being a Muslim.



------The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are-----

ARE...Nutty religious freaks who live next door to you while plotting to blow up buses, trains, nightclubs, airports and airplanes in the name of Islam.

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18752.   Posted 8-May-2008 Thu 03:15}       
Sincere Prayer has to Produce Courtesy and High Morals.
========================================================

Peace be upon you!

Great effort is required to absorb the grace of God. A struggle is needed, only then God quickly come to His servants, accepts their efforts, blesses them, and gives them the strength to do acts which attract His pleasure. Allah says: And those who strive in Our path, We will surely guide them in Our ways….(70:29)

The most important way to change the self to good and get nearness to God is to pay attention to offer Prayer / Salat.

Surely Prayer restrains (one) from indecency and manifest evil….. (46:29) . But we observe some people who offer Prayer, their attitude towards others is not so good. One may think what is benefit of Prayer then?

Fault is not with the Prayer. Meeting the conditions of Prayer is very important as is said in early part of (46:29) : Establish the Prayer….. The holy prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has directed that when you stand to offer salat, bear in mind as if you are seeing God or at least consider that God is watching you.

The understanding and believe that God is seeing me and reads my mind, makes a person very careful in conduct. God can not be deceived; He knows which of one’s Prayer is being offered with sincerity, for His sake and to make the self pure. He knows which Prayer is just a show off.

God does not only watch while one offer Prayer but He also watches one’s daily talks and tasks. Thus, it is essential to keep each of deeds right so that Prayer is accepted. In these days, God is being forgotten and to bring about the spiritual revolution the blessed promised reformer (mta.tv) has stressed to offer Prayer for positive changes in self.

Prayer are the measure of one’s courtesy and state of moral. And also, high morals can be viewed as fruits of one’s Prayer.

The holy prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that charity keeps the distress away….. The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are low morality, not being mindful of each other’s right, neglecting real worship of God. Hence, giving charity, according to one’s capacity will result in absorbing God’s blessings. Again, like the Prayer, charity is to please God, not people.

Alongwith offering Prayer and charity, the other essentials are treating others with kindness and courtesy, safeguarding the trusts, fulfilling the commitments, talking truth and without any twists, avoiding and praying against jealousy which burns human from within, staying away from absurdities of all types which throw a person into the lap of Satan. To help achieve these virtues and spiritual enhancement, the institution of Ahmadiyya Caliphate is the timely blessing of God. The holy Caliph prays may everyone be aware of their reponsiblities and continue to get blessings.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18751.   Posted 4-May-2008 Sun 02:31}       
Yeah yeah yeah...Waffle waffle, bullcrap.

I`ll go by what happens in the real world, in real life, allaround the globe.

"""It reported that last year in Sulaymaniyah, a city of 1 million people, there were 407 reported offences, beheadings, beatings, deaths through "family problems", and threats of honour killings, police in Karbala recently revealed 25 reports of rape.

Honour killings have been blocked by fundamentalists.
Honour killings are not actually a crime in the eyes of the government, said Houzan Mahmoud, who has had a fatwa on her head since raising a petition against the introduction of sharia law in Kurdistan.

In the past five years it is has got [much] worse, we have been pushed back to the dark ages.
Women are being beheaded for taking their veil off. Self immolation is rising – women are left with no choice.
Sharia law is being used to underpin government rule, denying women their most basic human rights."""


Just a normal day under Islamic rule.

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18750.   Posted 28-Apr-2008 Mon 11:49}       
IN A mosque, regardless of wordly positions, people stand together as one entity in one place, humbly in presence of Allah to worship Him. It increases the grace of His blessings more than before. Hence, reward of offering a prayer in mosque is twenty seven times greater, according to holy prophet of Islam.

Reward of each deed is dependent upon its intention, according to another hadith. It means in a mosque one must join others in worship without discriminatory feelings against others to get high rewards. For those who forget real object of prayer /salat woe is said (107:5) .

It is very important to purify one’s thoughts to draw benefits from salat / prayer. Point is explained by the Ahmadiyya promised messiah as : Salat during which the heart is wandering somewhere, thoughts are elsewhere and the mouth is uttering something else is a curse. It is thrown back and is not accepted…..Only that salat is real which gives pleasure. Such a salat is a source of generating hatred for sin. This is very salat about which it is said that it is the zenith of a believer and is a source of progression for a believer.

 Religious Watch    {18749.   Posted 21-Apr-2008 Mon 10:03}       
loveandpeace

A basic feature of most religions is that, to various degrees, they teach people to be unquestioningly faithful to people supposedly speaking for god.

So then it depends how good these spokespeople are, as to whether the followers are extreme or moderate, saints or terrorists.

Even if a religion isn`t directly responsible for the action of adherants who don`t follow the `correct` message, they should be held to account for teaching children to grow up to be unthinkingly obedient. This is just asking for trouble.