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The ChiefCensor will wear his hypocrite badge with pride when censoring non-conforming posts, please:
- No spam, libel, slander, etc
- No aggressive personal abuse (except to liken the ChiefCensor to Tony Blair when he censors you)
- No mindless incitement or hate (except of the ChiefCensor when he censors you)

 ChiefCensor    {18780.   Posted 24-Jul-2010 Sat 00:54}       
I wonder what percentage of the population actually thinks that Scientology is anywhere near sensible

 IanG    {18779.   Posted 22-Jul-2010 Thu 10:14}       
"A Cardiff councillor who referred to Scientology as stupid on a social network site has been referred to an ethics committee."

Indeed he should. We all know Scientology has been declared "a dangerous cult" by the courts! It isn`t stupid, its insane fiction from the pen of L Ron Hubbard.

Think I`ll start the `Church of Never Never Land` so we can all pray to Lord God Peter Pan for eternal youth and, to send us tick-tocking crocodiles and Tinkerbell fairies to save us from evil Pirates with hooks. Anyone want to sign up? It`s only £100,000 for a life membership (cash only - no cheques!) and, of course, your solemn oath, on pain of death, to sacrifice your first born to the third star on the left just before dawn if you ever say you don`t believe in fairies (its in the small print after clause 3172(b) on page 1036 of Your Biding Contract with the Chruch of Never Never Land, just before clause 3173, which states apostates will be decalared pirates and must submit to having their hand replaced with a hook).

 IanG    {18778.   Posted 27-Jun-2010 Sun 07:19}       
"Most of the Internet is Considered Sacrilegious..."

Yeah? Well here`s a bit more: Most religion is considered bullshit.


@JesusRules, ...and I thought I was losing it.

Listen up you fools.

Our Saviour IS love, compassion, knowledge, reason and understanding.

Our Destroyer IS hate, indifference, ignorance, irrationality and superstition.

Get it?

`Jesus` is inside all of us alongside the `Devil`. Believe in love, compassion, knowledge, reason and understanding instead of that crazy superstitious clap trap else you lot will indeed end up destroying the whole of mankind.

Know the TRUTH when you see it!


@bjabir, I wonder what makes you believe you deserve life everlasting in some unearthly paradise? I`m not religious but even I recognise that whatever created this universe is far beyond anything we can hope to understand. What you believe is akin to us granting eternal life to amoeba in exchange for their worship. If there is a God then nothing people do as a result of our ignorance will affect the outcome after death. We will all be forgiven because we are falible and we all make mistakes - we were made that way by our creator.

What matters my friend is the here and now and trying to make this world as close to paradise as we can for ALL life on earth. Because only IF we get the balance absolutely right can this little old earth go on supporting life until the Sun finally gives up the holy ghost - i.e. the life-giving Energy of light and warmth we all need to survive.

When I die I expect to sleep for the rest of eternity - absolute bliss, no pain, no worries, no nothing. My earthly remains will be taken by Mother Nature and reborn into a myriad of new lifeforms just as its been for over 500 million years. I`m happy with that. I expect no more from the creator that gave me this life, this mind and these eyes to know and see this miracle of creation with all its laws and stars and wonderous lifeforms.

Be thankful for what we have got and stop dreaming of that which can never be known and, quite frankly, none of us really deserve.

This Earth is the only paradise I know in the heavens and we`re rapidly turning it into Hell, in fact, we seem hellbent on turning it into a living hell on a rather regular basis.

Grow up and get real otherwise reality will come round and bite you all very hard in the arse (and pretty soon by the look of things!).

This `prophet` has spoken.

 JesusRules    {18777.   Posted 24-Jun-2010 Thu 03:52}       
The Great Storm

A massive storm is soon coming to Southern California. I believe it will come before the end of this summer 2010 or sometime in the year 2010. The storm is going to be very big with high winds, pouring rain, massive lightning bolts, and thunder so loud it will knock you out of your chair. But this isn`t just any storm, this storm represents something very deep. It represents the destruction and defeat of the "Evil God`s" that have devoured and destroyed innocent life. These evil God`s have inflicted intense and tremendous evil and pain among innocent life. They have inflicted as much harm imaginable. There are several of these evil God`s. The name of this massive storm is "The Great Storm."

The plan is that when The Great Storm comes, to light a Jesus candle in a dark room, and keep it lit during the storm. The defeat of these evil God`s is dedicated to the Goddesses and Jesus, as they are one. The way to dedicate their defeat to Jesus and the Goddesses is to tie a "purple ribbon" around the Jesus candle, as the color purple represents the Goddesses.

The Great Storm of intense energy will only last for about one to two hours, so make sure that you are prepared before the storm comes. Listen to your weekly weather forecasts of any possible major storms in the Los Angeles, CA and surrounding areas as far north as Mojave.

 bjabir    {18776.   Posted 23-Apr-2010 Fri 04:35}       
Are you going to reach 100 years old?

Very few people will reach 100 and above

Therefore, every 100 years the whole world replaced by new people!!!

So, you are definitely going to die sooner or later (may be today!!!) Maximum of 130 years

This is a fact, no one can argue about it

Please open your eyes wider

Do not ignore that fact, and suddenly find yourself inside a grave
So, what will happen after death?
At this point everyone has his/her own believe depending on his/her faith
If you believe in paradise and Hell well and good, if not here is a logical example for you:

Assume that you must take an exam, and after the exam you will definitely be placed into a reception waiting for your result (Eventually you will be placed in the reception, no other option at all---you are not going to escape death, are you?).
So, if many people talking about only two mandatory exists-one will get you to a jungle full of lions and tigers and the other to a very beautiful place full of everything you dream and think of .And they are telling you that, your ticket type to the entrance depend upon the exam result.
We are facing another very big problem too, no one died came back to tell us what is going on over there!!!!
So, are you going to risk it? And just say I do not care or you are you are going to work hard for that exam
If you are saying I will not take the exam, you are in exam room right now (this life and all your behaviours are being recorded), the reception is waiting for you immediately after you die


One God definitely is controlling the whole universe(earth, Sun, Moon, animals, sky, sea, wind, rain, water, human beings ...etc).There must be one God or there will be imbalance in the planet, if there are many ,everyone is going to do it the way he like

This is just a start my friend to let you think yourself carefully about your eminent fate Please try for one time to think about that; using your mind and logic and NOT your current or previous sympathetic view
Can you just watch the following websites to just see what are these people talking about?

www.islam-guide.com/islam-guide.pdf

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/

http://www.justaskislam.com/index.php

http://www.justaskislam.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

http://www.watchislam.com/tv1/

www.islamhouse.com

 Shaun    {18775.   Posted 13-Feb-2010 Sat 17:29}       
Much as I really am sick and tired of Christians trying to dictate how I live my life, and trying to dictate how the state should censor MY viewing, two wrongs don`t make a right.

I thought the judgement was appalling and cannot see any reason why this woman cannot freely wear a small symbol of her faith round her neck as many people do.

To me it`s just another unnecessary restriction imposed on a free person by corporate control freak mentality gone mad. Although I am a member of the Secular Society I certainly don`t agree with their stance on this.

Most Christians do wear a cross round their neck, even if it is optional and unless it really is dangerous owing to their work, I simply cannot see why they should hide it or remove it.

 bleach    {18774.   Posted 13-Feb-2010 Sat 07:56}       
The Only Fair Solution

I think it is a fair decision but what`s interesting is BA should have said it breached a dress code as it was excessive or unsubtle jewellery. A lot of workplaces have a dress code which states (but in formal terms) "bling" jewellery isn`t allowed although the cross isn`t bling they could`ve escaped some legal proceedings by using that scapegoat. But fairplay for them sticking to their decision.

2) I think Nadia Eweida also argued that Muslims who work for BA are allowed to wear Hijabs and the men doppa hats. Yes because it is part of traditional Islamic religion; there is nothing in the bible that says Christians must wear a cross and as Bill Hicks Said "If Jesus comes back; do you think he wants to see a fucking cross".

 Shaun    {18773.   Posted 12-Feb-2010 Fri 05:31}       
"If people believe in God on hearsay or declare a belief in God to avoid a debate, then this will not guarantee their salvation. … Therefore, it is of utmost importance that considerable thought be given to the question of the existence of God."

So, that lack of salvation leads to what ? Obvilion ? Incessant torture in the fires of hell, sent there by some jealous omnipotent heavenly bully boy who demands "morality" from us, but then uses highly questionable (and immoral) methods to impose those demands ? Someone who tortures innocent kids to death by giving them horrendous illnesses to suffer and no food or water, or kills them with earthquakes ?

Nope. I simply don`t believe in such an entity. I don`t even WANT to believe in something as vicious as that. If I am wrong and am to be dammed then so be it.

One thing though - If He does exist and is that omnipotent and vicious he can punish me himself. He doesn`t need people blowing things up, and that kind of thing, ie folk doing it FOR him.

 Shaun    {18772.   Posted 12-Feb-2010 Fri 05:01}       
It is interesting how religious people grasp at any shred of evidence for a diety, but completely ignore any evidence to suggest that He simply does not exists, or if He does exist, He doesn`t give a fig about us at all.

On the origin of the universe: the article on islamdk completely ignores a fourth possibility (my words quoted):

"
That the creation of various universes in the so called "multiverse" is in fact a process which goes on all the time in a sphere of existence, and is nothing unusual at all.
"

The problem is that humans cannot think beyond their three dimensional restricted view of reality and their experiences, and thefore have to "explain" difficult issues by citing the existence of a diety of some kind, when there isn`t really strong evidence for such an entity. If such a diety did exist, then His existance would be just as hard to explain as the existince of the universe itself, or indeed the existence of anything at all.

So deities in fact, explain nothing at all, when looked at rationally and logicaly. Even children realise that when they innocently ask "has God got a mother ?"

Having said all that, it is my belief that the universe is far from what it seems.

A particular individual is _MUCH_ more likely to win the lottery every day for a year, than to exist at all.

In my case I simply don`t get that lucky and my own conciousness would have simply bypassed existence at all and "I" should have remained in the bliss of the oblivion of NON existence. So therefore there seems to be something else going on. Something we humans know very little about.

On the other hand, perhaps if there`s an infinite number of universes as some scientists suggest, then there`s simply GOT to be one, where "I" (whatever `I` actually truly am), along with everything else here exist, just as it in fact does now.

 islamdk    {18771.   Posted 28-Jan-2010 Thu 14:09}       
If people believe in God on hearsay or declare a belief in God to avoid a debate, then this will not guarantee their salvation. … Therefore, it is of utmost importance that considerable thought be given to the question of the existence of God.

This essay therefore addresses the fundamental question: is there a God?

A discussion about God’s existence should start with the acknowledgement that the burden of proof lies with the theists, that is, with those who believe in God.

There are some questions that puzzle most reflective people: How did the laws of nature come to be? How did the universe come into existence? And how did life as a phenomenon originate from non-life?

The Kalam cosmological argu-ment(8) for the existence of God is a method of argument developed by medieval Muslim logicians and it was popularised in the West by philosopher William Craig. This philosophy entails the following; given that an observable universe exists, there are three possibilities: First, the universe always existed. Second, the universe created itself. Third, an all-powerful and all-knowing transcendent being, which we call God, created it. Let us examine each of these possibilities separately.

read more on ..www.islamdk.com

 islamdk    {18770.   Posted 28-Jan-2010 Thu 14:06}       
Views of Scientists on the Existence of God

www.islamdk.com

very interesting artical

 Mike Rufamens    {18769.   Posted 20-Oct-2009 Tue 01:46}       
I want to start a group of Knights for Reason, made up of drifters and mal-contents such as myself who would be prepared to roam around living off our wits and starting trouble between religious groups so as to make explicit the absurdity and violence inherent in all religion... a kind of band of "agents provocateurs" whose mission would be to draw out the poison of religious thought and practice -draw it out in the open by creative acts of mischievious misdemeanor- drag it by its beard or chasuble, as the case may be, from its miserable hiding place behind so-called "moderate" forms and expressions of religiosity.

Maybe "Nights of Reason" is better... or, "Servants of Logos" or "Reasonable Turks" ...

So, are there any nihilistic ne`er-do-wells out there wanna chip in with ideas?

 DarkAngel5    {18767.   Posted 26-Sep-2009 Sat 08:16}       
Thought this might be more appropriate here than in the Melonfarmers forum.

It seems that in the US, young earth creationist Ray Comfort of the living water ministry and Way of the Master YouTube channel, has teamed up with several other YEC groups, including the notorious `Answers in Genesis` and is planning to give away "revised" versions of Darwin`s "Origin of the Species" to coincide with its 150th anniversary at 50-100 universities accross the US and canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5cT0M

This edition is going to contain a 50 page pre-face, written by comfort himself, containing the usual creationist clap trap accusing him of racism, sexism and how his theory was what inspired Hitler to commit genocide and how its an unscientific beleif, etc etc (the usual unfounded propaganda) along with tracts from the bible saying how the book of genesis is right (you get teh impression).

Its just a sneaky way of trying to get creationist crap into the classroom.

To be honest, its not what he`s putting in to this book, its what he`s leaving out that worries me. Anyone else think he`s going to do a bit of editorial revisions to Darwin`s original publication to suit his own ends?

I think someone should write a pre-face to the bible detailing how this book (and other like it) has been used to justify countless hostilities and atrocities over the centuries and how the Nazis all wore insignia with the words "god`s with us" on their uniforms, give them out free of charge outside their churches and see how THEY like it! :-)

Incidentally, neither Ray Comfort nor his side kick (former actor) Kirk Cameron have ever read a science book in their entire lives so I`d like to know how they are in any way qualified to critisise anything!

 mikejones    {18765.   Posted 27-Mar-2009 Fri 15:50}       
THE NATURE OF EXISTENCE
www.thenatureofexistence.com

All the Mysteries of the Universe - Explained! Sort of…

What is the most important question there is? After exploring the phenomenon of STAR TREK fans in the acclaimed documentary TREKKIES, filmmaker Roger Nygard is taking on THE NATURE OF EXISTENCE, traveling the globe to the source of the world’s philosophies, religions, and belief systems, interviewing spiritual leaders, scholars, scientists, artists and others who have influenced, inspired, or freaked out humanity.

“I made a list of the eighty-five toughest questions I could think of,” said Nygard, “starting with biggest one, ‘why do we exist?’ and then I began interrogating the widest cross-section of humanity possible.” Here are a few more of the questions asked in the movie: What is man’s purpose? What started the Universe? Where was God during the Holocaust? What is Truth? Should people have sex before marriage? What is the best way to find happiness? Where is the afterlife? Where are the voices in my head coming from? …

How would YOU answer? What journey is more important than one that takes us closer to finding meaning in our existence

Profiled in the film are people like Indian holy man, His Holiness Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (The Art of Living), who described his job as “dehusking” people: “stress is the husk, which covers the light, the joy within a person.”

Nygard spoke with Catholic Archbishop D’Ambrosio in Italy, who believed his is the true religion and said, “To believe in Christ is not easy. But it’s not impossible.”

In Athens, Georgia, Rob Adonis, founder of Ultimate Christian Wrestling, says he looks forward to the afterlife, “In Heaven I’m going to be perfect, I’ll have abs of steel, I’m going to be chiseled, I’m going to have a great tan.”

Taoist Master Zhang Chengda of China’s Azure Cloud Temple on Taishan Mountain, China’s holiest mountain, said, “If you do good in this life, then you can continue practicing Tao in the afterlife.”

Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik maintains, “In Islam, the Truth prevails, not majority.”

In England, evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion, said, “Not only do you not need God, it’s positively counterproductive, if you are trying to understand the nature of Existence.”

In Palo Alto, California, Leonard Susskind (co-discovered string theory) explained that modern string theorists are coming to the conclusion that there is not just one Universe, but more likely trillions, if not an infinite number of Universes, all with laws of physics different from ours.

Professor Li Shaoqiang, in Confucious’ home town of Qufu, China, explained that, “Chinese people worship Mao Ze Tung as god because he founded a country.”

And over 100 others like Harvard psychologist and author Daniel Gilbert (Stumbling on Happiness), film director Irvin Kershner (Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back), novelist and Mormon Orson Scott Card (Ender’s Game), and Stonehenge Druids Rollo Maughfling & King Arthur Pendragon….

After a four-year world-wide odyssey, the filmmakers had over 450 hours of footage to boil down to an hour and a half, to bring audiences the best and the most transcendental moments, to present a fascinating look at humanity, and our Universe, seen through the eyes of some of the most interesting people on our planet.

Running time: 93:50

 Paul Tavener    {18763.   Posted 4-Jan-2009 Sun 10:28}       
Some of you might be interested in the post I have just made on the main melonfarmers forum re Radio 4`s Thought For The Day:

http://www.gavinorland.com/religion/thought-for-the-day-my-letter/

 loveandpeace    {18761.   Posted 10-Dec-2008 Wed 03:29}       
LIBERTY STINK:
"And the outrage at such a barbaric act carried out against their Muslim Sisters (with justification for the act being Islamic Sharia Law) from all those peace-loving, compassionate, moderate British Muslims (or indeed Globally) is deafening!

I guess cartoons and books are far more sinful and insulting to them then than the purposeful disfiguring of 2 Muslim children, as we can`t shut the noise up from Muslims when someone draws or writes something (or names a teddy bear)"

LIBERTY STINK {18755. Posted 11-Nov-2008 Tue 13:26}
"So now we have a 13 year old girl used as a suicide bomber, to mostly kill other children, in Iraq.

But lets blame the evil West again and apologise for barbaric Islamists and their religion of peace!

Where are the rallies and marches against such atrocity throughtout the Muslim and (increasingly Muslim anyway) non-Muslim lands FROM Muslims?
Or are cartoons and books bigger sins to them?"


LIBERTY STINK {18754. Posted 27-Jun-2008 Fri 10:14}
------"POLICE sniffer dogs trained to spot terrorists at railway stations may no longer come into contact with Muslim passengers – after complaints that it is against the suspects’ religion.-----


Despite the ONLY... I repeat...ONLY terrorist threat we face comes from Muslims!"

--------I agree very much with Liberty Stink on these issues he has raised above. These are issues my own Muslim community and others have raised and voiced their concerns over with the MEDIA (or at least sections of the media who would listen AND broadcast it!), but yet again, i am afraid it is probably because its not media savvy that ordinary folks do hear about the outrage that Muslims feel about the "acid affair" and the "13 yr old suicide bomber"

I also agree, but hasten to add i am not a self hating Muslim, that Muslims in the UK should allow the Police to use Sniffer dogs etc to do their job. The Muslims, including i, have to "suffer" these procedures for a few reasons: 1- it’s the Law, 2- Muslims should accept we are going through intensive scrutiny and allow such things to proceed (after all the British establishment would never, knowingly, be uncivil with their investigative procedures, unlike a lot of other countries!

A lot of the atheist on here are very good people and i am sure do very good things for humankind. We Muslims should work with you, side by side, because we share many common values and ethics. You are good people and also very intelligent and honest people. As a Muslim i don’t see you as "Atheists" but people who have the potential to show us other Muslims that you can be good and just people without believing in a God. I very much respect that. However, there has to be a "but" somewhere of course :-),i really feel if Atheists like the good folks here did ever become Muslims, you will indeed teach the rest of the Muslim world, what and how true Islam should be practised, and one day that day will come, because you are good people.

Sincerely,

INCREASE THE PEACE.
INCREASE THE LOVE.

 myway    {18760.   Posted 5-Dec-2008 Fri 14:52}       
THE WORLD’S GOLDEN RATIO POINT


www(.)miracleofkaaba(.)com ( for detailed information and pictures )

The Golden Ratio… Phi … 0,61… probably the most spiritual number in math. The mysterious seal that is impressed to the most elites by God. Our heart beat, our DNA, the special shape of the universe named dodecahedron, lots of galaxies spiral structure, perfect human faces and bodies, the lines of the plants’ leaves and many more are designed by the number of the golden ratio.

It didn`t take long time for scientists to find this perfect ratio which is used in the nature`s design. Historical records tell us that this ratio is known for about 4000 years. In the design of the pyramids and many famous architectural work of art this ratio is used. Leonardo Da Vinci and Mimar Sinan are the most important users of this number in the history.

According to this ratio, the number of the ratio which defines the shape was always 0.61.

As we all know, latitudes and longitudes are become as a universal measuring system which are used in coordinate determination and setting the time. God sends his messages with the form of human’s understandings; with their units of measurements, or else the messages won’t be understandable.

As can be understood from the calculations on the latitudes and longitudes the earth’s golden ratio point is at Mecca. The coordinates east longitude +39,82 and the north latitude +21,42 (Google Earth) shows that Kaaba and the holy area is at the earth’s golden ratio point.







(90 + 21,42 = 111,42 111,42 / 180 = 0,61... ), ( 180 +39,82 = 219,82 219,82/360= 0,61... The formula shows the method of calculating of the distance of the city Mecca to the poles and to the equinox line in both ways.)
The Golden Ratio (number of the creation of design and esthetic) = Phi constant = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance to the poles / The distance between North and South poles = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance to the North Pole / Mecca’s distance to the South Pole = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance (west) to the equinox line / The Earth’s perimeter = 0,61...

Mecca’s distance (west) to the equinox line / Mecca’s distance (east) to the equinox line = 0,61...

The inner ratios of the lines that passes through Mecca and combining the poles and the equinoxes = 0,61...

In the verse that tells about Mecca and Kaaba (3:96) the number of the letters until the word Mecca (29) / The number of the verse’s total letters (47) = 0,61...

If we consider the map of longitudes and latitudes as a painting of an artist, the world map will be a divine painting; the one which’s deepness will never end, a living painting. If we want to show the main Golden Raito point in a world map which is designed by the values of the longitudes and latitudes in the program of the Phimatrix (An American programmed which helps to show the golden ratios of the paintings), it will show us Mecca. The numeric values that the longitudes and the latitudes can take as the Golden Raito formula can only be performed in a single point in the world. The coordinates under the Ecuador or the west of the Greenwich are called as – (minus). Because of that the earth can only have one golden ratio point and Great God choose this as Mecca and then he has designed the verse in the Holy Quran by the Golden Ratio and he never let this area clear away.
(3:96) “The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:”

This holy city’s name is only used only once in whole Quran. In the verse it talks about the existence of the evidences that conduces people believes in this area. One of the evidences is; the area is a Golden Ratio point. Another miracle that cannot be a coincidence shows it self in the verse. Until the word Mecca (Mecca word included) the number of the letters are 29 and 47 is the number of the letters in the whole verse. We will do it like we have done in the world map, without any force. The rate of the number of the letters until the word Mecca to the number of the whole letters in the verse is 0,61 the golden ratio. If a word more or less the ratio will be broken down. We have done the same calculation in the latitude and longitude map of the world; The distance until Mecca to the whole distance.


It is a miracle that Mecca’s / Kaaba’s place on earth is designed by the verse in the Holy Quran, Muslim’s holy book for over 14 centuries and it states that in this holy area the evidences are lurked in that will cause communities’ searching for the right way. It proves that it is written by a force that knows the golden ratio, can see the earth from the space and knows the measurements that are accepted in the future, knows math very well, God.
Besides it is known that the surface is covered with the liquid energy canals that are called The Ley Lines. The lines are named like "The world`s energy", "The telluric energy" or the "Global Bioenergetics". These lines are a kind of energy, partly from the surface`s magnetic power, that is assumed, which travels the whole world on a linear way. This term is firstly used by an English researcher named Alfred Watkins in 1925, who "rediscovered" these lines.
The Holy Rivers that is in myths, actually expresses the ley lines, "the surface chakras". One of the most powerful areas of these chakras is in Mecca, the holy lands.
This discovery is made by the 3d graphic artist, director who made some works that are world-wide famous, Erdem Çetinkaya. Right now his work of documentary-movie which includes the miracle of Kaaba and the miracles named “Holy Mysteries”.

 Ben Masada    {18759.   Posted 29-Nov-2008 Sat 14:57}       
=========================================
+++ WERE THERE TWO DIFFERENT JESUSES? +++
=========================================

When Luke wrote the book of Acts to Theophilus, he guaranteed him that he had dealt with ALL that Jesus did and taught until the end of his life on
earth. (Acts 1:1,2) If Luke is someone worthy believing, there must be something wrong with Matthew.

1. I am not talking about the huge difference in the genealogy of Jesus. (Mat. 1:1-17)

2. I am not talking about the anxiety of Mary to explain her pregnancy without having yet slept with Joseph. (Mat. 1:18-25)

3. I am not talking about the Astrologers from the East who came to worship the new-born king of the Jews. (Mat. 2:1,2)

4. I am not talking about the star that stood still over the place where the child was. (Mat. 2:9-11)

5. I am not talking about the flight with the child to Egypt. (Mat. 2:13-15)

6. I am not talking about the slaughtering of the innocent under the age of two with the Herodian intent to catch Jesus. (Mat. 2:16-18)

7. I am not talking about a lot of other things that Luke ignored in his accurate account of EVERYTHING about Jesus to Theophilus.

Here`s what I am talking about: While the Jesus of Matthew was still in Egypt, waiting for Herod to die, the Jesus of Luke was born, circumcised after eight days, presented in the Temple on the 33rd day, and immediately after these requirements of the Law, the family headed back to Nazareth. (Luke 2:21,22,39)

In the meantime, the Jesus of Matthew was still trapped in Egypt, waiting for the word of the "angel" with the news that Herod had finally died. Perhaps in order to spare the embarrassment, the age of this Jesus is omitted.

Therefore, how many Jesuses were there? If there was but one, either gospel writer is lying or neither ever met each other. But then again, how about the spirit that inspired the revelation? I think Christianity will better off if we don`t remove that stone. The smell will be too strong.

Ben

 Ben Masada    {18758.   Posted 27-Nov-2008 Thu 07:18}       
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+++ THE METAMORPHOSE OF APOLLOS +++
===================================

The text is in Acts 18:24-28.

The Sect of the Nazarenes was blooming in Alexandria. Apollos, a Nazarene
Jew from Alexandria had decided to go on a trip North to Ephesus. Being
well-known as a charismatic and eloquent Teacher in the Scriptures, he was
invited to deliver the Shabbat sermon in the local Nazarene Synagogue. The
text says that he would speak about Jesus with accuracy. (Acts 18:25)

It happens that on that same day, a couple of former Jews called Aquila and Priscilla were attending services at the same Synagogue. The couple had recently arrived from Italy because of a decree signed by Claudius Caesar, that would expell all Jews from Rome. (Acts 18:2) Their trade was
Tentmaking. Since Paul was also a Tentmaker, they somehow met, got together, and Paul succeeded to convert them. (Acts 18:1-3)

So, back to the Nazarene Synagogue of Ephesus, Aquila and Priscilla realized that there was something wrong with Apollos` sermon. He would not
mention even once that Jesus was the Messiah, son of God, and that he had
resurrected. After the services, they invited Apollos to their home, converted him to the Pauline way they believed about Jesus, and the Apollos who returned was no longer the same who had left. He would now preach that Jesus was the Messiah. (Acts 18:28) He was still charismatic and eloquent, but the previous accuracy about Jesus was no longer the same. Apollos had completely metamorphosed.

The point here for discussion is: If Apollos was an expert in the Scriptures, and a member of the Sect of the Nazarenes, how come he had to
know from Christians all those things about Jesus? The obvious conclusion
is that the whole thing had been fabricated by Paul about 30 years after
Jesus` death.

Now, please, kindly share with me your comments.

Ben

 Ben Masada    {18757.   Posted 26-Nov-2008 Wed 18:49}       
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+++ THE PAULINE PARADOX +++
=============================

When Paul started preaching about Jesus as the Messiah and son of God, he
never realized that he had created a huge paradox.

You see, for Jesus to be the Messiah, he had to be a biological son of Joseph`s, who was the one from the Tribe of Judah. Mary was from the Tribe
of Levi. She was of the family of Elizabeth, a descendant of Aaron, the
Levite. (Luke 1:5,36)

Since Jesus is also claimed to be son of God, he could not have been the
Messiah, because God is not subject to human genealogies.

On the other hand, if Christians decide to grab the chance of at least make of Jesus the Messiah by agreeing that he was Joseph`s biological son,
he could not be son of God; and here the situation gets worse, because even the doctrine of the Trinity will collapse.

That`s indeed a paradox that can be conceived only by faith, which requires no explanation. But then again, where faith begins, knowledge ends; and for lack of knowledge people perish. (Hosea 4:6)

Now, if there is anyone out there with enough wisdom to unriddle this Pauline paradox, I`ll be happy to take off my hat to him or her. In the meantime, the Sphinx rests among the Egyptian pyramids while waiting for the passers-by. Good luck!

Ben

 LIBERTY STINK    {18756.   Posted 14-Nov-2008 Fri 04:46}       
YET MORE acid attacks on Afghan girls!

And the outrage at such a barbaric act carried out against their Muslim Sisters (with justification for the act being Islamic Sharia Law) from all those peace-loving, compassionate, moderate British Muslims (or indeed Globally) is deafening!

I guess cartoons and books are far more sinful and insulting to them then than the purposeful disfiguring of 2 Muslim children, as we can`t shut the noise up from Muslims when someone draws or writes something (or names a teddy bear).

 LIBERTY STINK    {18755.   Posted 11-Nov-2008 Tue 13:26}       
So now we have a 13 year old girl used as a suicide bomber, to mostly kill other children, in Iraq.

But lets blame the evil West again and apologise for barbaric Islamists and their religion of peace!

Where are the rallies and marches against such atrocity throughtout the Muslim and (increasingly Muslim anyway) non-Muslim lands FROM Muslims?
Or are cartoons and books bigger sins to them?

 LIBERTY STINK    {18754.   Posted 27-Jun-2008 Fri 10:14}       
------POLICE sniffer dogs trained to spot terrorists at railway stations may no longer come into contact with Muslim passengers – after complaints that it is against the suspects’ religion.-----


Despite the ONLY... I repeat...ONLY terrorist threat we face comes from Muslims!

Fuck `em! Plane tickets are cheap nowadays and sadly Muslim countries are many...so go there if a dog doing its job to safeguard us ALL offends you so.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18753.   Posted 8-May-2008 Thu 15:03}       
-----The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are low morality, not being mindful of each other’s right, neglecting real worship of God.-----


Translation time!

----low morality----

Dreadful Homosexuals and people who have sex without being married or Muslim and non-Muslim together.



----not being mindful of each other’s right----

Your right to do and say whatever you want in the name of your religion and to those against it.



-----neglecting real worship of God-----

The REAL worship of God is of course only through Islam by being a Muslim.



------The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are-----

ARE...Nutty religious freaks who live next door to you while plotting to blow up buses, trains, nightclubs, airports and airplanes in the name of Islam.

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18752.   Posted 8-May-2008 Thu 03:15}       
Sincere Prayer has to Produce Courtesy and High Morals.
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Peace be upon you!

Great effort is required to absorb the grace of God. A struggle is needed, only then God quickly come to His servants, accepts their efforts, blesses them, and gives them the strength to do acts which attract His pleasure. Allah says: And those who strive in Our path, We will surely guide them in Our ways….(70:29)

The most important way to change the self to good and get nearness to God is to pay attention to offer Prayer / Salat.

Surely Prayer restrains (one) from indecency and manifest evil….. (46:29) . But we observe some people who offer Prayer, their attitude towards others is not so good. One may think what is benefit of Prayer then?

Fault is not with the Prayer. Meeting the conditions of Prayer is very important as is said in early part of (46:29) : Establish the Prayer….. The holy prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has directed that when you stand to offer salat, bear in mind as if you are seeing God or at least consider that God is watching you.

The understanding and believe that God is seeing me and reads my mind, makes a person very careful in conduct. God can not be deceived; He knows which of one’s Prayer is being offered with sincerity, for His sake and to make the self pure. He knows which Prayer is just a show off.

God does not only watch while one offer Prayer but He also watches one’s daily talks and tasks. Thus, it is essential to keep each of deeds right so that Prayer is accepted. In these days, God is being forgotten and to bring about the spiritual revolution the blessed promised reformer (mta.tv) has stressed to offer Prayer for positive changes in self.

Prayer are the measure of one’s courtesy and state of moral. And also, high morals can be viewed as fruits of one’s Prayer.

The holy prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said that charity keeps the distress away….. The biggest anguishes and distresses which are effecting the lives in this age are low morality, not being mindful of each other’s right, neglecting real worship of God. Hence, giving charity, according to one’s capacity will result in absorbing God’s blessings. Again, like the Prayer, charity is to please God, not people.

Alongwith offering Prayer and charity, the other essentials are treating others with kindness and courtesy, safeguarding the trusts, fulfilling the commitments, talking truth and without any twists, avoiding and praying against jealousy which burns human from within, staying away from absurdities of all types which throw a person into the lap of Satan. To help achieve these virtues and spiritual enhancement, the institution of Ahmadiyya Caliphate is the timely blessing of God. The holy Caliph prays may everyone be aware of their reponsiblities and continue to get blessings.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18751.   Posted 4-May-2008 Sun 02:31}       
Yeah yeah yeah...Waffle waffle, bullcrap.

I`ll go by what happens in the real world, in real life, allaround the globe.

"""It reported that last year in Sulaymaniyah, a city of 1 million people, there were 407 reported offences, beheadings, beatings, deaths through "family problems", and threats of honour killings, police in Karbala recently revealed 25 reports of rape.

Honour killings have been blocked by fundamentalists.
Honour killings are not actually a crime in the eyes of the government, said Houzan Mahmoud, who has had a fatwa on her head since raising a petition against the introduction of sharia law in Kurdistan.

In the past five years it is has got [much] worse, we have been pushed back to the dark ages.
Women are being beheaded for taking their veil off. Self immolation is rising – women are left with no choice.
Sharia law is being used to underpin government rule, denying women their most basic human rights."""


Just a normal day under Islamic rule.

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18750.   Posted 28-Apr-2008 Mon 11:49}       
IN A mosque, regardless of wordly positions, people stand together as one entity in one place, humbly in presence of Allah to worship Him. It increases the grace of His blessings more than before. Hence, reward of offering a prayer in mosque is twenty seven times greater, according to holy prophet of Islam.

Reward of each deed is dependent upon its intention, according to another hadith. It means in a mosque one must join others in worship without discriminatory feelings against others to get high rewards. For those who forget real object of prayer /salat woe is said (107:5) .

It is very important to purify one’s thoughts to draw benefits from salat / prayer. Point is explained by the Ahmadiyya promised messiah as : Salat during which the heart is wandering somewhere, thoughts are elsewhere and the mouth is uttering something else is a curse. It is thrown back and is not accepted…..Only that salat is real which gives pleasure. Such a salat is a source of generating hatred for sin. This is very salat about which it is said that it is the zenith of a believer and is a source of progression for a believer.

 Religious Watch    {18749.   Posted 21-Apr-2008 Mon 10:03}       
loveandpeace

A basic feature of most religions is that, to various degrees, they teach people to be unquestioningly faithful to people supposedly speaking for god.

So then it depends how good these spokespeople are, as to whether the followers are extreme or moderate, saints or terrorists.

Even if a religion isn`t directly responsible for the action of adherants who don`t follow the `correct` message, they should be held to account for teaching children to grow up to be unthinkingly obedient. This is just asking for trouble.

 loveandpeace    {18748.   Posted 20-Apr-2008 Sun 03:18}       
Liberty Stink:

I agree with you. It is wrong and madness for a religious "revert" to be targeted in any shape or form as you report, even in a Muslim country.

It is also appalling and to be condemned if what you say is true that this young man was murdered for his views even if they were blasphemous.

This is NOT Islamic at all! It’s the action of some mad, deranged ignorant mob that happen to call themselves Muslims. Consider this: if there is a God as most religions claim and that he is a God of peace/love/mercy, would He really advocate such mindless anger fuelled actions in His name. The answer, plain to see, is no he would not. This fundamental understanding of all religions is the starting point in knowing God…all else is man made false teachings.

A famous point in the Islamic history was when Muhammad returned finally to Mecca from exile and upon his arrival, he simply forgave all those who had persecuted him and even killed his relations. In fact he forgave the whole of Mecca, for all their wrong acts of persecuting the early Muslims. This, my friend, is true Islam, not the madness you and i are seeing around us!

Let our energies target the mindless minds of the human beings around us, not the Holy Scriptures or its teachings.

Justice has to prevail and the truth will win, as always.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18747.   Posted 19-Apr-2008 Sat 16:00}       
----A British teacher killed in Somalia was targeted because he had converted from Islam to Christianity, his widow has claimed.---

NO NO NO. Shame on you `Melon farmers` for this Islamophobic publishing!
This was just a coincidental random act and nothing to do with Islam!
As always.

 LIBERTY STINK    {18746.   Posted 17-Apr-2008 Thu 04:40}       
---- Jagdish Kumar, a 22-year-old worker at a leather factory in Karachi, was murdered by his colleagues after he allegedly passed blasphemous remarks during a debate on religion.----

The normal, average, everyday members of `the religion of peace and tolerance` strike again.

Not clerics or spiritual leaders, not known extremists...Just your normal, run of the mill, working stiff Muslims.
You know I bet they were the classic examples of those `moderates` we hear of every day...until.........

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18745.   Posted 3-Apr-2008 Thu 08:12}       
ROLE OF MORALITY FOR THE SURVIVAL OF A RELGION
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1- Morality is virtually essential for the survival of religion itself……When moral standards are lowered, religion is the first to suffer.

2- Dishonesty and immorality corrode even the most powerful man-made edifices of law and constitution…….The spiritual edifices of religion are likewise corroded and turned to dust by the dry rot of immorality……This is the key to the understanding of decadence at all levels of religious beliefs and practices.

3- The unity of God is split and continues to be splintered because of lowering standards of morality……Idolatory begins to replace the Unity of God, and idols occupy the houses of God turning them into temples.

4- Deep below such destructive phenomenon, one will always find the worms of dishonesty at work……Dishonesty becomes a deadly poison when it works at the level of leadership, but no deadlier poison can be conceived than dishonesty WHEN it works at the level of religious leadership……In the name of God, they play havoc with the peace of His creation The throne of God is occupied by the pseudo-gods of religious hierarchy.

Therefore :

It would be much wiser to judge religions at their nascent stage rather than latter, when through human interpolation they become mere ruins of their noble and humble beginning.

 PromisedMESSIAH    {18744.   Posted 3-Apr-2008 Thu 07:53}       
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REFLECTIONS OF THE DIVINE ATTRIBUTE OF FORBEARANCE (AL-HALEEM)
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Peace be upon you!

1= God has asked the believers to imbue His Divine attributes on human level. His Prophets are given the greatest capability for this.
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2= The-Forebearing is among divine attributes Forebearance connotes compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, kindness and suppressing anger. These qualities are vital for society and for spirituality….The days and years of Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on Him) were full of instances of forebearances.
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3= For example: Once a man, during talk, kept touching the beard of holy prophets . The companion Hadhrat Umar (r.a) was very upset at this show of disrespect but the blessed Holy Prophet instructed him not to be harsh with visiting man.
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4= Zaid ibn Su`nah, a great jewish scholar in the time of holy prophet, narrated : He recognized all but two signs of prophethood when he saw the face of holy prophet. Two signs which were not immediately evident to him were: i-Holy prophet.s forebearance would precede his rasheness. ii- His forebearance would increase upon facing intense rashness…One day a Bedouin came to prophet and said that a group of his people had accepted Islam and he used to tell them by embracing this faith there would be great increase in their provisions. Now because of no rain, there was famine and he feared his people would leave Islam as they came in with greed… The Bedouin requested for their help.The Holy Prophet looked to hadhrat Ali but he informed no supplies could be given…The narrator Zaid, the scholar, offered the holy prophet to rent him a specific palm (dates) garden for a ceratin time for quick relief….Instead the holy prophet told Zaid that he would rent him a fix amount of date-fruit until such period from unspecified gardens……A pact was agreed and Zaid paid for particular dates for a fixed time…. The holy prophet gave the payment to the man with instruction to help his people with fairness.Just few days before the expiry of fixed period Zaid came to holy prophet and seized him by his dress and angrily said: why do not you pay back my dues?.......Zaid saw that such attitude of his was angrily challenged by hadhrat Umar …But the holy prophet, who was looking at Zaid quietly and patiently said: Umar! Instead of being angry, you should pay off his loan well. Give him extra saa` (44 Kg) because you terrified him. Order was obeyed…….At this point Zaid disclosed his identity to hadrat Umar and told him that he deliberately talked to holy prophet in that since he wanted to check the two signs of forebearnace; preceding of forebearance upon his rash and increasing of forebearance on encountering excessive rashness. He found these two signs, too, in holy prophet. He embraced the faith and announced to donate half of his wealth for it.
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5= The holy prophet always resolved family matters with wisdom and no annoyance.
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6= His blessed model was for ever to be followed and practiced. Only listening, reading and enjoying about it is not the goal….Sometimes people are cruel to their servants…. Some people are not kind to wives and are extendedly brutal….Teaching of the kind and gentle conduct is for practice.
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7= In an incident, at the victory of Mecca, pardon was sought for a fled person Safwan. The blessed holy prophet granted it. The fled man sent a message that a token of assurance be given. He was given a turban of the holy prophet which he had on when he entered in Mecca as victorious. Safwan was assured of the forebearance of the holy prophet.
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8= The real champion is not one who beat an opponent, rather a real champion is one who controls himself when angered….Said the blessed holy prophet……Once He saw two enraged men fighting. He said he knew the words which can dissipate their anger; these are : I seek refuge with Allah from accursed satan…He directed that if a standing angry person sits or sitting angry person lies down the anger will go away…..He never felt anger on any personal issue but only on Divine matters.
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9= A man complained that he always did good to his relatives but always got bad reaction The blessed holy prophet said his actions covered the meanness of his relatives and as long as he is firm on his way Allah.s help would be with him.He said Allah liked the two qualities of forebearance and dignity.
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10= Forebearance connotes compassion, forgiveness, tolerance, kindness and suppressing anger. These qualities are vital for society and for spirituality.
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11= According to holy caliph, forebearance was also shown by the holy promised messiah ( mta.tv ) who once said: With the exception of indecency all weaknesses and petulant behavior peculiar to women should be tolerated. It is shameful that a man should fight a woman. He never spoke harshly to anyone. His opponents would come by and use extremely rude language which he would never react to. Instead, he prayed for them. His compassion was keen and he subdued the rage…..He taught ( as the blessed holy prophet commanded ) to tolerate the abuse of a guest as he was not among followers.
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12= The most supreme reflecton of the divine attribute The-Forebearing (Al-Haleem ) was the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him). In his footsteps, the Promised Messiah (on whom peace) has shown blessed models for reformation. May Allah enable all to imbue divine attributes.
LOVE FOR ALL HATRED FOR NONE.....Thanks

 LIBERTY STINK    {18743.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 11:47}       
LMAO! You run away crying.
You don`t reply because you`ve been shown up to be as weak and irrelevant as what you post.

But just remember the next time you post ignorant, farcical garbage as truth and fact I`ll be there. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
To put a stop to the apologists who are as much a danger to this country as the Islamists they cuddle up to.
MF...tis a disgrace.

 DarkAngel5    {18742.   Posted 1-Apr-2008 Tue 10:18}       
No Liberty Stink, I am not ignoring your arguments, I am ignoring YOU because you are incapable of having an adult conversation.

When you learn to debate in a sensible and rational manner, and not come accross like some angry schoolchild, I may consider your posts worthy of responding to.

In the meantime I shall bid you good day, feel free to post what you like in response, I won`t be reading them.